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now on with the show you know one of the

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things we always try to mention because

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they get more and more fascinating is

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our forums at for America's comm forum

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dr. Perik as calm as you should know

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Chris O'Brien our co-host for this week

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is one of our forum moderators which

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means he takes all the guff well not all

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of it but I take my fair share a little

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bit we have two others Ron and Angelo

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Angelo is a bit of a forum skeptic he's

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our house you have something else to say

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about Angelo Angelo is great we're both

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Angelo and Ron are doing a really good

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job on the forums we've we've had quite

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a few sign ups a lot of new people a lot

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of fresh perspectives being brought to

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the forum threads and yeah everybody

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should go to the podcast

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forums that's right so it's for empower

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cast com forum got para cast com

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actually they're many rows to the same

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destination but that's one that's easy

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to remember play nice

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play nice sometimes things get a little

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out of hand over there it's been better

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lately but then we have of course people

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like Angelo and Ron and of course Chris

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to rein them in and I become the

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benevolent dictator if they all disagree

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on what to do with somebody they say

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gene what do we do with this guy and I

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say off with his head you know the red

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king that's right that's right

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hey if you expect we were talking about

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your webcam in Colorado what's the

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status now maybe give people kind of a

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summary of what it was what you did and

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where we are now well I've been working

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20 years now going ahead and putting

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cameras around the San Luis Valley where

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I spent many years as a field

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investigator and still have a team of

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sky watchers and investigators there

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that help out I combined my vision with

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the vision of Wayne Hollenback and Bill

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just kept our noses to the grindstone

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and we've been able to get a beta test

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of our first camera which was set up in

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the middle of the valley we've got two

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solid weeks of data and now we're in the

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final stages of getting a second and

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third camera together we're going to do

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another two-week beta test we have a

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who's putting together a target

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ability for the cameras to all focus in

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on a single event so all this will be

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coordinated over the internet and we're

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really excited about the project we have

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some pretty interesting footage already

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from the initial two weeks which is

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enabling us to calibrate our our system

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and through the winter here we're going

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to be doing another two-week beta test

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with its second and third camera and by

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the spring we should be ready to go I'm

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excited about it okay so hopefully we'll

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see a team when they land we'll see

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Bigfoot when he goes out looking to

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forage in the forest and we'll see

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whatever it is that's mutilating cattle

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have we had any more mutilations lately

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happened at the base of a mountain that

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would will eventually be one of the

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seven camera locations so if we had had

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a camera up at that particular point in

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time we would have been able to capture

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whoever had done this if it was indeed

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something high strange that had lights

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or you know was able to be seen with a

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of course the camera would have been

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about 8,000 feet above the actual site

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but these are pretty high res cameras

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that go up to 36 times optical zoom so

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we're we're we're real excited about

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monitoring the the mysterious San Luis

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Valley and trying to get some real good

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quality hard data now the question I had

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is when you try to do surveillance at

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places like this quite often the

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phenomena deserts it temporarily in

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other words you put the cameras in front

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of something and whatever is doing

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whatever it's doing it goes away or in

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the case of the Sherman ranch up in Utah

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and it's put up cameras looking at one

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another and one of the cameras actually

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had all the wires whipped out of it

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while the other camera was filming and

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they were unable to see any sort of

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perpetrator of the actual vandalism on

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the second camera so yeah you never can

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tell in this realm what's gonna happen

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but we're hoping for the best we have we

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have some good good people working on

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the team and good people on the ground

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that are gonna be helping maintain the

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system so you know we're hoping for the

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best all you can do is give it your best

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shot and see what the data provide you

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with and keep your fingers crossed and

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all that kind of thing now as far as

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listeners to the power caster concern

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now I know you gave us a link some weeks

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back to the beta webcam and maybe they

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were having some difficulty accessing

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your stream yeah it was only up for two

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weeks we decided to go ahead and and

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we're gonna have to get a dedicated DSL

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line to shoot the signal out of the

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valley so right now we aren't up but we

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were up for about two weeks

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through the MUFON OC web website so now

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it's down but we're hoping here in the

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next week or two to get the thing back

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up and functioning and as soon as we do

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that and seeing what happens maybe one

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of our for our members will be sitting

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there watching it and seeing Bigfoot now

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do you have a way of recording this data

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so we can get some digital movies yeah

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yeah it's all being recorded 24/7

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record function when we have an event

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triggering the system so we'll actually

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have a second set of recording that will

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be a composite recording from all the

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cameras focusing in on a single event

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though full high-res data stream okay so

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you just need a decent broadband

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connection to see all this yeah anybody

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five months and can help us out we're

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always looking for some financial help

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for the for the system but that's our

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plan we want to at least get two weeks

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of streaming data to you know go ahead

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to more and by the way maybe what you

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should be doing is at our strange planet

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want to donate to the webcam that's a

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good idea gene okay so this way if

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you're not donating to me and I always

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need money if you're not donating to the

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show and the show always needs money and

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you're not donating the Chris you can

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donate to the webcam very good good idea

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okay I'll help you set that PayPal link

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so we can do it that way and help you

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along now we've had some really good

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reaction to the presence of longtime

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researchers so a couple weeks ago of

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doing it for many many years

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and he was just a very fascinating guest

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and we have another guy Ron Regehr

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longtime friend of yours who's also

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somebody who's seen it and done it and

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has loads of information to present tell

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us about him well Ron I first became

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aware of Ron back in 1994 when the TV

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show sightings did an episode on the

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NORAD event which occurred in the San

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Luis Valley in January of 94 and one of

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looking at the segment was they had a an

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aerospace engineer on there confirming

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that the DSP satellite they had picked

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up a heat bloom in the San Luis Valley

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and he was confirming that to the

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program well I immediately got all

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excited I had never heard of him so I

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called him up and we've been friends

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ever since he's an absolutely

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fascinating guy he's a retired aerospace

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engineer for many years he was the state

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director for MUFON in Utah he's done

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quite a bit of research in various areas

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including Roswell he was the one that

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that was in general Raimi's hand at the

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famous Roswell press conference where

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the Jesse Marcel photo famous Jesse

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and you spent quite a bit of time and

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and some money getting in to the actual

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letter in Rama's hand to read them we'll

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he's also been involved in being

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interested in UFOs since he was a kid so

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you know along with his 36 years of

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experience at Douglas Aircraft and

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Aerojet he's also been a closeted UFO

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buff as a kid and now he's you know

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quite public with his interest in UFOs

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and he worked on the Apollo project he

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worked on the Skylab he worked on the

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DSP spy satellites and other really

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solid back kind of experience and we'll

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get to that absolutely Ronald Regehr

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coming up next our co-host is Chris

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us this week on the power cast Ron

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Regehr longtime UFO researcher has been

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there for four or 500 years and knows at

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all actually more than 50 years and I'll

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get into that in a moment our co-host is

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Chris O'Brien I'm gene Steinberg you're

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in the para cast Chris please introduce

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our guest Ron thanks first of all for

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being on the show it's always great to

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talk to you one of the things I think we

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should begin with is your very

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interesting history as an engineer in

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the aerospace field that's how we

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actually first met back in the early 90s

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we were both on the same segment on the

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show sightings and based on your work

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with the DSP spy satellite you were

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asked to confirm some data that had been

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picked up by DSP allegedly and you did

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confirm that data but before we get into

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all that and other very interesting

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things that you're involved with let's

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get a little background about you and

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how you got involved in ufology and a

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little bit about your background in

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aerospace I guess back to oh the mid to

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late fifties a little bit of background

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there was a process called the ground

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observer Corps that was created by the

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Army Air Corps during World War two they

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were concerned that the Japanese are

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Germans might launch attack against the

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United States and we didn't have nearly

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enough people in the military to watch

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everything well I was disbanded at the

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end of world war ii and in resurrected

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begin in 1952 with the advent of the

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Soviet Union having long-range bombers

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so my mother knew I was interested in

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airplanes so see somehow got me enrolled

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as an observer in the ground observer

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Corps and it was kind of heavy for a

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10 11 12 year-old boy I was we had

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acetate templates that had all the

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different airplanes and silhouettes a

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hotline to call if we saw one of these

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airplanes no Soviet bombers and oh it

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was lots of fun

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that got me looking at the sky at the

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same time in those mid to late fifties

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we had a rash of I would guess now we

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call them Class B movies you know the

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afternoon matinees of all the sci-fi

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movies you know 50-foot woman and flying

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saucers from outer space and I married a

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spaceman oh just a whole raft of these

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things we would get into the movies for

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7up bottle cap or a bread wrapper from

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Roman meal bread ice I remember mom

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didn't buy Roman meal bread because we

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made our own but I'm scrounging

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neighbors and asked of flavin so we got

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to see those sci-fi movies and why they

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all feature these really neat flying

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saucers and so then I was really piqued

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in 1957 when the Soviets launched so

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darn commies they can't beat us we

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invented the airplane what are they

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doing so that got me and the engineers

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had I just wanted to become a aerospace

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engineer an aeronautical astronautical

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engineer and meet those Polly's to the

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moon and so good and that's but all

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along there was this interest in flying

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saucers or UFOs and as an aeronautical

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engineer there's a faster than ours how

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do they do that and so that was another

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driver for me so those two paths of

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wheatley breeding rotten commies and

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flying out finding out what maybe flying

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saucers work merge together somehow and

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what was left of my mind and I went

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ahead and started pursuing more and more

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that sort of thing and so early on did

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you find yourself maybe agreeing with

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major donald key

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oh that UFOs were manifestations of

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presence of ET watching the TV show when

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he was cut off the air I don't know very

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many people remember that but he was

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actually bucking the party line when he

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said that they were from outer space and

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the network cut him off the air because

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he was violating the script agreement

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they had with the air force right well

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apparently what happened here and I

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remember the item in chios book about it

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he was gonna go on this feature about

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UFOs and then he became so frustrated he

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deviated from the script right and then

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they say well we can't have that this is

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live TV they didn't have a seven second

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delay it's not like TV today you have

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live TV today it's really on a seven

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second delay so they can delete

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something that's unmentionable in fact

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that's how our show is aired by the way

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even though we take pains to make sure

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there's no defamatory content were one

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of the famous seven dirty words the

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network puts us on seven seconds later

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so they'd listen we can't get away I

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promise before everybody all your

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listening audience I will not have a

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wardrobe malfunction during this period

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as a matter of fact if you did we had

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you know the last week we actually had a

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wardrobe malfunction but what we did of

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course is we stopped and I said hey wait

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a minute but we can't have wardrobe

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malfunctions on the show therefore

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you're gonna have to fix it and he did

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he was our guy I can't believe where

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this conversation is going gentlemen

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Janet Jackson has nothing on you Ron

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well Ron how did you get involved tell

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us about your early work in aerospace

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who did you go to work for first and I

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want you to kind of give us a brief

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description with some of the projects

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that you worked on that you you were

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allowed to mention

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okay I started

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the young graduate engineer working for

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Douglas Aircraft Company and they opened

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up a facility in Huntington Beach and I

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was really interested in old airplanes

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and so I'd been weekends working at the

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airport on this old airplane just scrape

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and rust and trying to get in flying

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condition there's this old easier there

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I mean he must have been all of sixty

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years old and he was working on it he

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wasn't much of a talker but eventually

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after about three or four weekends

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invited me to coffee and a little chat

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at the airport lounge and turns out we

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of course the discussion we both worked

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at the same place

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Douglas Huntington Beach so I said well

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this is this is my racer I designed this

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racer as a wasp pretty cool thing since

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you'd like to see the blueprints you can

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come on up to my office I said I love to

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see him so following Monday I went up

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there and it was on the third floor

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which is the executive suite at Boeing

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Huntington Beach I'd never find the

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beach they later became boring so I was

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enthralled I had to have a key code

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enter that third floor the elevator

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would go up at the goal and open without

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the proper code and that was impressive

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and then I got in this carpet it was

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real thick and uh

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secretary had a desk about the size of

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an aircraft carrier and a fountain up

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there on the third floor was this was

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heaven and here was this old grizzled

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guy and he was wearing a suit invited me

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in and spread out these blueprints and

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as we were going through them and

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exchanging just boos and ahhs and

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talking about NACA wing section and cord

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sections the secretary buzz demand says

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your 10 o'clock or whatever time it was

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is here I tell you why we have something

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it's here also it's break topic and

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we'll be back with Ronald Regehr we have

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co-host Chris O'Brien I'm gene Steinberg

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we don't 17 Saturn 5 rockets and we had

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anticipated having very failures because

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if you remember our space program up

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until then ours always failed that's

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whether astronauts were such heroes you

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know the agonising picture the vanguard

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falling over on the stand and exploding

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I mean it was those guys are real heroes

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because most work was it didn't work too

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well and designed and built seventeen

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Saturn Apollo's and the question is what

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do we do with them it was was satisfied

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all our mission requirements and this

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meeting was between a head of NASA and I

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think was story Musgrave was at this

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first meeting I'm not sure another

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astronauts and so I was invited to stay

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and I said what's he got work to do and

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he said well you know with me he's your

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boss and my guys he called the boss said

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Ron's working with me for a while so

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that got me into I guess you'd say in

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the upper echelon even though I never

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got a promotion out of it was an open

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some fantastic doors and as a result of

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scraping paint on my own time I was

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introduced into the meeting the

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astronauts and these being sort of the

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go-to guy for Douglas for years and a

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fascinating experience I went on from

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there to a little company called

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Aerojet and as they used to say we don't

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make arrows and we don't make Jeff but

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their claim to fame was they had built

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the first

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jato which is a jet-assisted actually

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are consistent takeoff for short takeoff

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and landing aircraft I saw him today the

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Navy SEAL flight demonstration team has

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a marathon I think the name of the

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airplane it's Fat Albert big rocket

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bottle fill it allows a fully loaded

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c-130 to takeoff at about 250 foot a

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runway so the only way that was arrow

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gets claimed the same so I started

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working for their most classified

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project known as project nine for nine

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and as it turned out it was our nation's

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one of our nation's first and most

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successful long-duration spy satellite

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programs okay so anyway that was the

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system was designed and does detect

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launches of soviet intercontinental

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ballistic missiles and so as in doing so

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it turns out that we were identifying

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many other things and we had to identify

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what they were and where they were

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coming from and where they were going

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because it was very important to the

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defense the United States that we knew

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what we were encountering this is by

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measuring what we call a time intensity

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profile now imagine if you will match at

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a flashbulb many of the younger kids

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but I think think you guys do

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and they both might have the same amount

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of energy but when you light ignite a

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flash ball it goes off and use all its

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energy in a very short period of time as

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a match might have the same amount of

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energy but when you strike it there's an

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initial flash and then the energy is

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expended over a longer duration for

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those those different intensities vary

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over time rockets and jets and other

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things have varying time intensity

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profiles if you plot these

707
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over on a graph you can see how they

708
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differ and so that was that was how we

709
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identified different things that we saw

710
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I still do that but we do it

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electronically and with high speed

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onboard computers now so I was kind of

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interesting that have our first

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satellite system we had arm of

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detectives on a long roll and that was

716
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at its complement out in the Air Force

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room a long roll peanut lightbulb stick

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and it would rotate with the center of

719
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rotation approximating the center of a

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satellite and then we had two thousand

721
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slip rings and two thousand detectors

722
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and that's all kind of problems all

723
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those these these pirates would

724
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illuminate the detectors that would

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cause a corresponding a light bulb to

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light up and back of this big glass

727
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window with overlay of the earth

728
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Pentagon it was a an Air Force guy with

729
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a grease pencil there aligned with slice

730
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hit mark annex real analog boy these

731
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series of X's of three X's equaled for

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several years so basically this entire

733
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country security ladies and gentlemen

734
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depended on the light bulbs working we

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didn't have these CFL light bulbs then I

736
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want to ask you obviously there's

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$76,000 question here because all that

738
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inflation 64,000 doesn't cut it anymore

739
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okay in setting up all this find any

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bogeys any UFOs sources

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and alone events and we started putting

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those you know if the car thing works

743
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which is in the system you know all

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electrical systems occasionally have a

745
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something interfere or something that

746
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causes a little tweak but these are real

747
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photography for real things and we get

748
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about one or two of those a day that

749
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would trigger our sensors and

750
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everybody's get all excited and turns

751
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out things were probably UFOs well there

752
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were UFOs but extraterrestrials vehicles

753
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of some type and came to a head on the

754
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December 1984 event and that was where

755
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valid IR source came from deep space

756
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crossed in front of our star sensor

757
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which we use to align the satellite to

758
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make sure we plane correct and where we

759
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were pointing and when we were pointing

760
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where and it came by our star sensor

761
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crossed over in front of the main

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detector a primary sensor which is

763
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pointing towards the earth slow down and

764
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then proceeded to go back into deep

765
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space meteors don't do that they don't

766
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turn

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they don't make course corrections and

768
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then meander their way back into deep

769
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space but this one did put on a show for

770
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you detective it from coming from deep

771
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space again crossing across the portion

772
00:35:41,240 --> 00:35:39,800
of the Earth's disk and going back out

773
00:35:44,240 --> 00:35:41,250
again

774
00:35:47,300 --> 00:35:44,250
so it was the official what was the

775
00:36:03,950 --> 00:35:47,310
official conclusion on that event do you

776
00:36:06,349 --> 00:36:03,960
remember years later so I got there at

777
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:06,359
the Air Force and I don't know who who

778
00:36:13,339 --> 00:36:09,930
all did well with it but about eight to

779
00:36:18,580 --> 00:36:13,349
ten years later I received the page of

780
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that report on my home fax machine and

781
00:36:23,420 --> 00:36:20,670
holy Moses

782
00:36:26,109 --> 00:36:23,430
I actually thought another word but

783
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that's one of the words we can't say and

784
00:36:31,670 --> 00:36:29,220
so I got this thing and it was after

785
00:36:34,490 --> 00:36:31,680
hours and I lived 53 miles away from

786
00:36:37,460 --> 00:36:34,500
work okay now this guy on your machine

787
00:36:39,980 --> 00:36:37,470
there we have to do a little cliffhanger

788
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:39,990
this is cliffhanger time with Ronald

789
00:36:45,770 --> 00:36:43,530
Regehr about his long time UFO research

790
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and experiences Chris O'Brien's the

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co-host I'm gene Steinberg you're in the

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shows out there so listen closely Ron

905
00:41:24,140 --> 00:41:21,779
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906
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podcast I'm gene Steinberg the co-host

907
00:41:33,950 --> 00:41:28,200
is Chris O'Brien so this message on your

908
00:41:35,720 --> 00:41:33,960
machine said what page from the 60 day

909
00:41:39,079 --> 00:41:35,730
report that I'd prepared for the air

910
00:41:43,430 --> 00:41:39,089
force take the report number off of it

911
00:41:46,789 --> 00:41:43,440
just showed this Mesa event and it was

912
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:46,799
secret and I got it on this open fax

913
00:41:52,519 --> 00:41:49,770
machine at home so I put it in a bag

914
00:41:54,710 --> 00:41:52,529
taped it sealed and signed it dated it

915
00:41:59,569 --> 00:41:54,720
tuck it under my pillow and what the bed

916
00:42:02,720 --> 00:41:59,579
and the next day took it in to work so

917
00:42:05,990 --> 00:42:02,730
does the security off and they were

918
00:42:09,559 --> 00:42:06,000
totally totally unimpressed they didn't

919
00:42:11,450 --> 00:42:09,569
care so I said well I think they didn't

920
00:42:13,789 --> 00:42:11,460
believe what was going on so I said look

921
00:42:16,010 --> 00:42:13,799
it's I know what it is they took him

922
00:42:18,890 --> 00:42:16,020
down to the vault what's the report

923
00:42:21,260 --> 00:42:18,900
pulled the report and then they were

924
00:42:24,500 --> 00:42:21,270
impressed but we had a breach of

925
00:42:28,069 --> 00:42:24,510
security so they sent me down and

926
00:42:32,029 --> 00:42:28,079
started to give me the third degree

927
00:42:36,620 --> 00:42:32,039
and he penalized me and punished me for

928
00:42:42,799 --> 00:42:36,630
bringing this to their attention back

929
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:42,809
says Stanton Friedman once said I'm

930
00:42:48,410 --> 00:42:44,970
pointing out a problem and they wanted

931
00:42:50,029 --> 00:42:48,420
the Hillary meet for that so I said I'm

932
00:42:52,670 --> 00:42:50,039
not gonna have anything of it here's all

933
00:42:56,269 --> 00:42:52,680
the facts I'm going home the next day I

934
00:42:59,029 --> 00:42:56,279
came in and all the guards were there

935
00:43:01,749 --> 00:42:59,039
what'd you do what'd you do and turns

936
00:43:04,179 --> 00:43:01,759
out the security

937
00:43:06,789 --> 00:43:04,189
officer who had started this

938
00:43:09,099 --> 00:43:06,799
investigation on me had been terminated

939
00:43:11,109 --> 00:43:09,109
and then nobody was talking about

940
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anything I don't know what happened to

941
00:43:15,849 --> 00:43:12,769
him where he went what happened or

942
00:43:20,949 --> 00:43:15,859
anything else but I was the end of it I

943
00:43:23,319 --> 00:43:20,959
didn't get my page back I just was it

944
00:43:26,019 --> 00:43:23,329
was the just fell into this black hole

945
00:43:29,529 --> 00:43:26,029
of security but they treated me very

946
00:43:32,949 --> 00:43:29,539
nicely for first many years and security

947
00:43:39,389 --> 00:43:32,959
and I had a I would guess it was a long

948
00:43:42,639 --> 00:43:39,399
standing for maybe 20 years relationship

949
00:43:46,839 --> 00:43:42,649
because they knew I was doing UFO

950
00:43:48,729 --> 00:43:46,849
research I still had my clearance they

951
00:43:52,929 --> 00:43:48,739
never pulled that they never once

952
00:43:59,819 --> 00:43:52,939
challenged me on that you and say Ron

953
00:44:06,149 --> 00:43:59,829
you know lay off the UFO stuff that was

954
00:44:09,849 --> 00:44:06,159
I was talking about the 19 fighter about

955
00:44:13,059 --> 00:44:09,859
1988 87 somewhere around there there was

956
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a stealth fighter before it became

957
00:44:21,489 --> 00:44:15,399
public I was talking about that and

958
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:21,499
possibly relating it to UFOs and believe

959
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it enough the FOS I invested Captain

960
00:44:42,429 --> 00:44:38,889
James Kirk captain beam me up now he was

961
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accustomed to having this this ritual he

962
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said no here let me show you any pulled

963
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out his driver's license and a credit

964
00:44:54,099 --> 00:44:49,759
card to show me that he really was

965
00:45:00,729 --> 00:44:54,109
Captain James Kirk what year was this

966
00:45:03,099 --> 00:45:00,739
now worse because we have the original

967
00:45:05,349 --> 00:45:03,109
Star Trek series then we have the

968
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resurrection flying saucer up the

969
00:45:09,969 --> 00:45:07,969
resurrection about Star Trek it rises

970
00:45:13,389 --> 00:45:09,979
like a phoenix all over again

971
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:13,399
Star Trek becomes popular movies and

972
00:45:17,530 --> 00:45:14,930
everything so the name

973
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:17,540
kirk becomes bigger than ever in the

974
00:45:26,260 --> 00:45:23,690
1980s I guess it'd be like being a

975
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:26,270
marshal or have a last name of Dylan or

976
00:45:30,010 --> 00:45:27,890
something with Gunsmoke during the

977
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:30,020
Gunsmoke days but what's that you say

978
00:45:49,569 --> 00:45:36,890
mr. Dylan he was questioning me about

979
00:45:54,370 --> 00:45:49,579
that I gave a presentation at Laughlin

980
00:45:57,520 --> 00:45:54,380
on the DSP fully expecting to get really

981
00:46:01,030 --> 00:45:57,530
called on the carpet about it and in

982
00:46:05,710 --> 00:46:01,040
remember Laughlin coppers blast of the

983
00:46:09,099 --> 00:46:05,720
week and now came to me after my

984
00:46:12,220 --> 00:46:09,109
presentation and wanted to talk to me

985
00:46:15,220 --> 00:46:12,230
and so I talked to him and as it turns

986
00:46:23,470 --> 00:46:15,230
out he said I'll come for you back of

987
00:46:26,859 --> 00:46:23,480
office in LA sure so he came back and I

988
00:46:33,930 --> 00:46:26,869
think was two or three days later and we

989
00:46:38,700 --> 00:46:33,940
went up 2-0 making me a sketch made by

990
00:46:43,329 --> 00:46:38,710
one of his people as he put it that

991
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:43,339
December 1984 object as viewed from

992
00:46:48,089 --> 00:46:46,490
another space platform so that was

993
00:46:52,240 --> 00:46:48,099
pretty cool

994
00:46:56,349 --> 00:46:52,250
my it looks like a bivalve mollusc UFO

995
00:46:59,650 --> 00:46:56,359
so I was it was the closest I got there

996
00:47:02,410 --> 00:46:59,660
the Air Force acknowledging or thought

997
00:47:04,299 --> 00:47:02,420
he was a colonel in the Air Force and I

998
00:47:04,569 --> 00:47:04,309
made him show me his ID on that one as

999
00:47:08,410 --> 00:47:04,579
well

1000
00:47:10,329 --> 00:47:08,420
now let's point to another area here of

1001
00:47:22,359 --> 00:47:10,339
your interest when did you become

1002
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:22,369
associated with MUFON do anything I just

1003
00:47:26,770 --> 00:47:24,770
got the journal it was because I want to

1004
00:47:27,700 --> 00:47:26,780
do my own research why I didn't want to

1005
00:47:30,700 --> 00:47:27,710
be tied down by

1006
00:47:34,900 --> 00:47:30,710
organization and that and I had a couple

1007
00:47:38,980 --> 00:47:34,910
of friends and I started working and

1008
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:38,990
attending MUFON Orange County it is

1009
00:47:46,930 --> 00:47:41,210
different and they work directly

1010
00:47:49,420 --> 00:47:46,940
affiliated with MUFON use their name so

1011
00:47:51,430 --> 00:47:49,430
I was I looked at it as the same thing

1012
00:47:59,290 --> 00:47:51,440
but actually it was not but I didn't

1013
00:48:02,230 --> 00:47:59,300
realize that move on but not move on at

1014
00:48:03,790 --> 00:48:02,240
the time to call themselves a chapter a

1015
00:48:07,570 --> 00:48:03,800
MUFON and nobody could do anything about

1016
00:48:09,460 --> 00:48:07,580
it okay then if she were ever a move on

1017
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:09,470
you could hold meetings and say there

1018
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:12,890
move for meetings okay national

1019
00:48:22,349 --> 00:48:19,490
organization no no protections in place

1020
00:48:27,839 --> 00:48:22,359
to prevent anybody from using their name

1021
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:27,849
and so it was just an awkwardness that

1022
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:30,890
existed for many years now I want to

1023
00:48:35,020 --> 00:48:32,810
give you a red herring question here

1024
00:48:37,780 --> 00:48:35,030
about MUFON okay because there is a

1025
00:48:40,420 --> 00:48:37,790
thread in our form saying that somebody

1026
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:40,430
in the leadership of MUFON has come out

1027
00:48:51,630 --> 00:48:43,490
in favor of the Billy Meyer contacts

1028
00:49:01,240 --> 00:48:58,620
on his web page and he's also the floor

1029
00:49:04,630 --> 00:49:01,250
retired colonel stevens wendell stevens

1030
00:49:08,079 --> 00:49:04,640
retired retired Air Force before he

1031
00:49:11,470 --> 00:49:08,089
passed this law a month or two ago he

1032
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:11,480
and George shared a lot of experiences

1033
00:49:19,660 --> 00:49:17,530
and become friends with billy meier

1034
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:19,670
showed a lot of stuff she had a lot of

1035
00:49:23,820 --> 00:49:22,650
information with Joy's father and George

1036
00:49:27,609 --> 00:49:23,830
[Music]

1037
00:49:29,029 --> 00:49:27,619
one of his father's files I believe is

1038
00:49:31,959 --> 00:49:29,039
what he called it and right

1039
00:49:35,689 --> 00:49:31,969
a week or two in the email box right

1040
00:49:40,130 --> 00:49:35,699
once a week and in that fiver smiles he

1041
00:49:43,189 --> 00:49:40,140
said Wendell Stevens assured me the

1042
00:49:45,049 --> 00:49:43,199
Billy Meyers photos were a thing I think

1043
00:49:46,729 --> 00:49:45,059
it was the photos he said were a penny

1044
00:49:53,029 --> 00:49:46,739
well you know what I don't know whether

1045
00:50:01,069 --> 00:49:53,039
to laugh or cry one of the problems we

1046
00:50:04,669 --> 00:50:01,079
have is a road just a place that thin

1047
00:50:06,799 --> 00:50:04,679
with investigators and had a good

1048
00:50:09,319 --> 00:50:06,809
relationship and they're more than

1049
00:50:11,870 --> 00:50:09,329
welcome to have a lower opinion to say

1050
00:50:15,079 --> 00:50:11,880
what they want to say I can't let as far

1051
00:50:19,279 --> 00:50:15,089
as Mike Michael horns taking this and

1052
00:50:21,229 --> 00:50:19,289
taking this ball and run with it and by

1053
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:21,239
the way Michael horn ladies and

1054
00:50:27,289 --> 00:50:23,729
gentlemen is the u.s. a representative

1055
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:27,299
for for Billy Mayer he's their American

1056
00:50:30,409 --> 00:50:28,890
representative I don't think he receives

1057
00:50:31,939 --> 00:50:30,419
a paycheck from them or at least he

1058
00:50:35,089 --> 00:50:31,949
claims it doesn't he's been on the show

1059
00:50:36,949 --> 00:50:35,099
he was on the power cast during 2006 for

1060
00:50:39,589 --> 00:50:36,959
a couple of episodes and then we kind of

1061
00:50:41,839 --> 00:50:39,599
banned him from the show we gave up on

1062
00:50:44,449 --> 00:50:41,849
it we look at the wedding cake photos

1063
00:50:47,089 --> 00:50:44,459
had a big laugh and that was in I guess

1064
00:50:50,899 --> 00:50:47,099
you know if an an individual person in

1065
00:50:52,459 --> 00:50:50,909
MUFON wants to embrace that case that's

1066
00:50:53,929 --> 00:50:52,469
their privilege but I don't think it

1067
00:51:13,549 --> 00:50:53,939
really makes the organization come

1068
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:13,559
across - well no CMS as a case mr.

1069
00:51:19,009 --> 00:51:17,130
Marwood opposed a current event on the

1070
00:51:21,259 --> 00:51:19,019
roof on board we would probably if we

1071
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:21,269
have an investigator in Switzerland and

1072
00:51:31,279 --> 00:51:28,729
he was at the time and investigate

1073
00:51:32,870 --> 00:51:31,289
anything and everything that may or may

1074
00:51:35,059 --> 00:51:32,880
not have happened in the past we just

1075
00:51:36,529 --> 00:51:35,069
don't have the resources for that I'd

1076
00:51:39,349 --> 00:51:36,539
say well we're getting more of this with

1077
00:51:41,890 --> 00:51:39,359
Ron Regehr in our next segment Chris

1078
00:51:51,519 --> 00:51:41,900
O'Brien's the co-host I'm gene Steinberg

1079
00:51:53,410 --> 00:51:51,529
or in the para cast hi this is Ted

1080
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banner at GCN live.com thanks again for

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00:52:21,039 --> 00:52:18,619
listening to GC and live.com again

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00:52:23,109 --> 00:52:21,049
that's juicy and live.com we the people

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grow cotton wheat fabric engraving can

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bed strips and fibers to protect from

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counterfeit and carding to a private

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bank having it led back at interest

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00:52:31,779 --> 00:52:29,930
forcing taxes to service debt this

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00:52:33,220 --> 00:52:31,789
capitalism or was Jefferson correct when

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00:52:34,870 --> 00:52:33,230
stating a central bank issuing the

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public currency is a greater menace to

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00:52:37,359 --> 00:52:35,990
the liberties of the people than a

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00:52:38,799 --> 00:52:37,369
standing army today understand I'm

1104
00:52:40,630 --> 00:52:38,809
placing a free silver dollar in a book

1105
00:52:44,079 --> 00:52:40,640
that explains our monetary system call

1106
00:52:47,260 --> 00:52:44,089
for your copy 800 686 to 237 it's time

1107
00:52:55,870 --> 00:52:47,270
to understand the system call 866 to 237

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00:52:57,819 --> 00:52:55,880
that's 800 686 to 237 welcome back to

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00:53:01,150 --> 00:52:57,829
the pair cast the gold standard of

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00:53:04,790 --> 00:53:01,160
paranormal radio and now here's gene

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00:53:09,140 --> 00:53:06,220
[Music]

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00:53:12,290 --> 00:53:09,150
okay we vowed never to mention the M

1113
00:53:14,720 --> 00:53:12,300
word on the para cast but sometimes we

1114
00:53:17,240 --> 00:53:14,730
have no choice we do mention it Ron

1115
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:17,250
regards our guest this week the co-host

1116
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:19,410
is Chris O'Brien I'm gene Steinberger in

1117
00:53:24,820 --> 00:53:21,690
the para casts let us say gwei very

1118
00:53:27,950 --> 00:53:24,830
quickly from the M word and the case and

1119
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:27,960
He Who Shall Not Be Named which is of

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00:53:32,930 --> 00:53:30,210
course the name we gave for the person

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00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:32,940
who represents him in the USA let's move

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00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:34,530
away from that let's not resurrect the

1123
00:53:40,250 --> 00:53:37,410
past but you've done some on-site

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00:53:42,650 --> 00:53:40,260
research in a lot of areas because we

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00:53:44,900 --> 00:53:42,660
only have a two hour radio show or a

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00:53:45,980 --> 00:53:44,910
three hour radio show and we don't have

1127
00:53:48,770 --> 00:53:45,990
time to cover everything

1128
00:53:51,620 --> 00:53:48,780
Chris was telling me that among the

1129
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:51,630
cases you looked into was Roswell and

1130
00:53:56,350 --> 00:53:53,490
you had some interesting findings how

1131
00:53:59,120 --> 00:53:56,360
did you get involved in that okay I

1132
00:54:01,370 --> 00:53:59,130
think everybody sort of get the

1133
00:54:03,109 --> 00:54:01,380
peripheral lunge it's been a new policy

1134
00:54:04,450 --> 00:54:03,119
with from Roswell or one way or the

1135
00:54:07,850 --> 00:54:04,460
other

1136
00:54:12,980 --> 00:54:07,860
the granddaddy of all UFOs my

1137
00:54:23,349 --> 00:54:12,990
involvement began with by the name of

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00:54:25,700 --> 00:54:23,359
James he was a photographer for the

1139
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:25,710
newspaper in Fort Worth Fort Worth

1140
00:54:32,540 --> 00:54:27,290
star-telegram

1141
00:54:35,450 --> 00:54:32,550
and so James Bond Johnson purpose series

1142
00:54:37,750 --> 00:54:35,460
of either called famous or infamous

1143
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:37,760
depending on your point of view

1144
00:54:50,720 --> 00:54:43,410
photographs of in general Roger Ramey's

1145
00:54:54,830 --> 00:54:50,730
office on the floor on July 8 1947 now

1146
00:54:58,970 --> 00:54:54,840
this was purported to be the wreckage

1147
00:55:02,810 --> 00:54:58,980
from the crashed UFO from Roswell a

1148
00:55:06,109 --> 00:55:02,820
little bit of background just keep it

1149
00:55:08,990 --> 00:55:06,119
under two minutes if I can

1150
00:55:12,750 --> 00:55:09,000
somewhere in late June early July

1151
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:12,760
something came down on a ranch in New

1152
00:55:20,309 --> 00:55:16,930
Mexico the rancher Mac Brazel who was a

1153
00:55:23,609 --> 00:55:20,319
ranch hand on the ranch took this stop

1154
00:55:25,770 --> 00:55:23,619
to the sheriff's office over the course

1155
00:55:28,530 --> 00:55:25,780
of a period of time they called George

1156
00:55:31,339 --> 00:55:28,540
Wilcox the sheriff he called the Air

1157
00:55:35,220 --> 00:55:31,349
Force and the Air Force intelligence

1158
00:55:39,150 --> 00:55:35,230
officer for the 5:09 Bomb Wing you know

1159
00:55:42,839 --> 00:55:39,160
major Jesse Marcel and Captain Sheridan

1160
00:55:44,700 --> 00:55:42,849
Cavitt who was the CI is not ignore what

1161
00:55:47,609 --> 00:55:44,710
C is stands for a lot off the top of my

1162
00:55:49,230 --> 00:55:47,619
head went out to the ranch with the

1163
00:55:51,780 --> 00:55:49,240
ranchers spent the night there

1164
00:55:55,470 --> 00:55:51,790
picked up a bunch of this stuff to run

1165
00:55:58,859 --> 00:55:55,480
the back into their buek and the Jeep

1166
00:56:02,309 --> 00:55:58,869
Terry all drove it back to Roswell and

1167
00:56:04,349 --> 00:56:02,319
apparently on the way back major Marcel

1168
00:56:09,390 --> 00:56:04,359
stopped at home and showed it to his

1169
00:56:12,599 --> 00:56:09,400
wife and son Jesse Marcel jr. and now

1170
00:56:16,799 --> 00:56:12,609
Jesse Marcel jr. by the way who right

1171
00:56:18,660 --> 00:56:16,809
now is a retired physician he was on the

1172
00:56:20,599 --> 00:56:18,670
para cast a couple of years ago he has a

1173
00:56:23,099 --> 00:56:20,609
book out on the subject where he touched

1174
00:56:26,460 --> 00:56:23,109
something some material they brought to

1175
00:56:29,849 --> 00:56:26,470
the house right well this material then

1176
00:56:33,809 --> 00:56:29,859
apparently was taken back to Roswell

1177
00:56:37,710 --> 00:56:33,819
sealed packaged up loaded in a b-29 have

1178
00:56:41,250 --> 00:56:37,720
flown to dallas-fort Worth where the

1179
00:56:45,660 --> 00:56:41,260
packages were taken to Gerald Rainey's

1180
00:56:50,490 --> 00:56:45,670
office according to mr. Johnson I think

1181
00:56:53,730 --> 00:56:50,500
he passed in 2006 I'm not sure I'll have

1182
00:56:57,450 --> 00:56:53,740
to check my notes but it just a couple

1183
00:57:05,010 --> 00:56:57,460
years ago very recently he got there and

1184
00:57:06,900 --> 00:57:05,020
he was friends with the name of general

1185
00:57:09,450 --> 00:57:06,910
Ramey Zaidi's in the photograph there

1186
00:57:11,609 --> 00:57:09,460
with him but they were they were

1187
00:57:14,460 --> 00:57:11,619
back to the b-29 a scene of bigger

1188
00:57:17,359 --> 00:57:14,470
pieces and so there's several packages

1189
00:57:19,650 --> 00:57:17,369
of debris in the office let you go

1190
00:57:22,730 --> 00:57:19,660
unwrapped them because there was a tight

1191
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:22,740
schedule to meet the East Coast deadline

1192
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:25,570
never the newspapers were the medium

1193
00:57:32,510 --> 00:57:27,970
then we didn't have much in the way of

1194
00:57:36,599 --> 00:57:32,520
live TV this was 24/7 news cycle of now

1195
00:57:38,130 --> 00:57:36,609
yeah okay now I mentioned many things

1196
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:38,140
about the Roswell case let's get

1197
00:57:52,050 --> 00:57:47,460
series of photographs six photographs to

1198
00:57:56,760 --> 00:57:52,060
it major Marcel general by himself and

1199
00:57:59,430 --> 00:57:56,770
to the general and his aide time passed

1200
00:58:04,620 --> 00:57:59,440
they were published in one magazine one

1201
00:58:08,700 --> 00:58:04,630
book nobody remembered it until cases

1202
00:58:16,620 --> 00:58:08,710
resurrected but then along comes major a

1203
00:58:18,990 --> 00:58:16,630
general Raimi's Widow and 1998 and she

1204
00:58:21,599 --> 00:58:19,000
asked Joy's father the things were

1205
00:58:24,230 --> 00:58:21,609
father we mentioned earlier if he could

1206
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:24,240
shed any light on these photos because

1207
00:58:31,290 --> 00:58:28,690
her son and daughter the generals son

1208
00:58:33,030 --> 00:58:31,300
and daughter were upset because their

1209
00:58:35,490 --> 00:58:33,040
dad was getting some bad press for lying

1210
00:58:38,550 --> 00:58:35,500
to the American people and she won't

1211
00:58:43,140 --> 00:58:38,560
know what was in those photographs if it

1212
00:58:46,109 --> 00:58:43,150
was a Roswell debris or not so George

1213
00:58:50,609 --> 00:58:46,119
new James Bond Johnson the photographer

1214
00:58:52,950 --> 00:58:50,619
called him James Bond Johnson had just

1215
00:58:55,380 --> 00:58:52,960
seen my present one of my UFO

1216
00:58:57,240 --> 00:58:55,390
presentations Orange County MUFON and he

1217
00:58:58,829 --> 00:58:57,250
likes the idea that if I didn't know

1218
00:59:01,550 --> 00:58:58,839
something I said I didn't know what

1219
00:59:06,599 --> 00:59:01,560
didn't make things up so he wanted me to

1220
00:59:10,170 --> 00:59:06,609
evaluate the photos and see what he

1221
00:59:13,079 --> 00:59:10,180
thought it was debris that he could

1222
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:13,089
remember too well so we ordered some

1223
00:59:18,089 --> 00:59:15,010
sixteen by twenty prints or eats a

1224
00:59:20,390 --> 00:59:18,099
little six photos I started doing an

1225
00:59:22,890 --> 00:59:20,400
analysis of them

1226
00:59:24,470 --> 00:59:22,900
well bottom-line it for you man we can

1227
00:59:26,789 --> 00:59:24,480
go to any amount of detail you wish

1228
00:59:30,230 --> 00:59:26,799
nothing in any of those photographs was

1229
00:59:32,220 --> 00:59:30,240
from a mogul balloon the Air Force lied

1230
00:59:36,660 --> 00:59:32,230
that's the bottom line

1231
00:59:40,319 --> 00:59:36,670
all right now okay we're in 2010 as this

1232
00:59:43,499 --> 00:59:40,329
show being tape so the big issue is here

1233
00:59:46,499 --> 00:59:43,509
how now do we get more information about

1234
00:59:48,890 --> 00:59:46,509
Roswell where's the smoking gun because

1235
00:59:51,599 --> 00:59:48,900
it's a lot of fascinating information

1236
00:59:53,789 --> 00:59:51,609
certainly maybe it's not mogul it's not

1237
00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:53,799
this it's not that does the military

1238
01:00:08,400 --> 00:59:56,410
have the wreckage still what's going on

1239
01:00:10,170 --> 01:00:08,410
can we ever get to the bottom we occupy

1240
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:10,180
as well I would be shocked to see it

1241
01:00:17,279 --> 01:00:15,490
didn't but my mind Robert with the

1242
01:00:21,329 --> 01:00:17,289
Roswell photographs was to do the

1243
01:00:23,670 --> 01:00:21,339
analysis on what was in them and I can

1244
01:00:28,499 --> 01:00:23,680
assure you there's some bizarre bizarre

1245
01:00:33,660 --> 01:00:28,509
things there's what looks a casual

1246
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:33,670
glance to be balsa wood for example it's

1247
01:00:40,470 --> 01:00:36,730
Hollow coops and you can see in them

1248
01:00:44,430 --> 01:00:40,480
there's a an i-beam with strange symbols

1249
01:00:47,849 --> 01:00:44,440
in them just as described by Jesse

1250
01:00:50,279 --> 01:00:47,859
Marcel jr. the balloon betrayal has what

1251
01:00:57,029 --> 01:00:50,289
looks like solder droplets but the most

1252
01:00:59,400 --> 01:00:57,039
compelling and is the memo the written

1253
01:01:03,470 --> 01:00:59,410
text that felt in general Rama's hand

1254
01:01:07,739 --> 01:01:03,480
and we've been able to read the memo

1255
01:01:11,339 --> 01:01:07,749
almost all of it it talks about the

1256
01:01:14,519 --> 01:01:11,349
victims are forwarded to Fort Worth

1257
01:01:17,539 --> 01:01:14,529
Texas and tell us about how a weather

1258
01:01:20,370 --> 01:01:17,549
balloon would be a good cover story so

1259
01:01:22,380 --> 01:01:20,380
that's that's probably the biggest

1260
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:22,390
smoking gun of everything in the

1261
01:01:31,050 --> 01:01:27,490
photograph that memo that was

1262
01:01:32,850 --> 01:01:31,060
we need these are 16 by 20s off the

1263
01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:32,860
original negatives correct so we're

1264
01:01:36,570 --> 01:01:34,930
looking we're talking super high-res

1265
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:36,580
photograph so you're able to really zero

1266
01:01:40,950 --> 01:01:39,010
in on and get details that normally you

1267
01:01:43,650 --> 01:01:40,960
wouldn't be able to get from you know

1268
01:01:45,540 --> 01:01:43,660
the famous shots that we've seen over

1269
01:01:51,570 --> 01:01:45,550
the years and magazines and books this

1270
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:51,580
is off off the original negatives since

1271
01:01:58,350 --> 01:01:54,010
then many many other researchers have

1272
01:02:00,750 --> 01:01:58,360
gone in and got ins copies and gotten

1273
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:00,760
look at negatives and made their own and

1274
01:02:13,350 --> 01:02:05,290
looked at him and we were the first ones

1275
01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:13,360
to do that not better at it okay so you

1276
01:02:16,410 --> 01:02:14,650
were in the right place at the right

1277
01:02:18,270 --> 01:02:16,420
time as some people said we're gonna

1278
01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:18,280
move in to our next segment in just a

1279
01:02:21,780 --> 01:02:20,170
moment I wanted to mention everybody we

1280
01:02:24,300 --> 01:02:21,790
have forums where you can talk about all

1281
01:02:27,510 --> 01:02:24,310
this stuff for empowering cast com form

1282
01:02:30,090 --> 01:02:27,520
dot para cast com all you have to do is

1283
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:30,100
sign up give yourself a username and as

1284
01:02:33,660 --> 01:02:31,930
long as the username is accepted which

1285
01:02:36,030 --> 01:02:33,670
means it's not duplicated doesn't use

1286
01:02:37,980 --> 01:02:36,040
one of the seven deadly words we'll have

1287
01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:37,990
you join us we want you to participate

1288
01:02:42,660 --> 01:02:40,690
Ron Regehr joining us this week co-host

1289
01:02:46,890 --> 01:02:42,670
is Chris O'Brien I'm gene Steinberg

1290
01:02:46,900 --> 01:02:50,960
[Music]

1291
01:02:57,330 --> 01:02:55,020
is there a secret UFO agenda to strange

1292
01:02:59,670 --> 01:02:57,340
creatures from the darkest corners of

1293
01:03:02,490 --> 01:02:59,680
the mind roam the earth is there

1294
01:03:06,180 --> 01:03:02,500
evidence for mind control time travel or

1295
01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:06,190
devious government conspiracies find out

1296
01:03:10,830 --> 01:03:07,810
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1307
01:03:49,160 --> 01:03:42,130
that's mr. UFO at web TV dotnet find out

1308
01:03:52,590 --> 01:03:51,360
again the Congressional Budget Office

1309
01:03:54,900 --> 01:03:52,600
sounds the alarm

1310
01:03:57,390 --> 01:03:54,910
this time warns of greek-style US debt

1311
01:03:59,040 --> 01:03:57,400
crisis you heard me right the GAO is

1312
01:04:01,290 --> 01:03:59,050
drawing a parallel between the u.s.

1313
01:04:03,450 --> 01:04:01,300
economy its debt and the current Greek

1314
01:04:05,970 --> 01:04:03,460
economic meltdown with the debt to GDP

1315
01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:05,980
chart climbing into unfamiliar territory

1316
01:04:10,830 --> 01:04:08,410
the growing budget deficit will rise to

1317
01:04:12,990 --> 01:04:10,840
unsupportable levels hi this is Ted

1318
01:04:15,660 --> 01:04:13,000
Anderson the federal debt and risk of

1319
01:04:17,790 --> 01:04:15,670
financial crises document the CBO has

1320
01:04:20,010 --> 01:04:17,800
published is a must read for every

1321
01:04:22,290 --> 01:04:20,020
American covering the risk of continued

1322
01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:22,300
deficit spending coupled with an aging

1323
01:04:27,060 --> 01:04:24,490
population and the rising interest rates

1324
01:04:29,130 --> 01:04:27,070
spell economic disaster it's imperative

1325
01:04:47,150 --> 01:04:29,140
that you get a copy of this document and

1326
01:05:31,230 --> 01:05:27,840
806-853-9949 to get the t.com that's get

1327
01:05:33,720 --> 01:05:31,240
the tea teehee a calm or you can call

1328
01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:33,730
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1329
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1330
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1331
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1332
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scrape and will help you with your

1333
01:05:51,890 --> 01:05:46,600
health and you can even lose weight so

1334
01:06:02,820 --> 01:05:57,840
go to HAMP us fated or go to hem us a

1335
01:06:07,410 --> 01:06:02,830
door and ask your legislator and ask

1336
01:06:12,660 --> 01:06:07,420
your Congressman and ask your president

1337
01:06:16,050 --> 01:06:12,670
why can't we grow it here and ask those

1338
01:06:21,300 --> 01:06:16,060
companies that love their profits and

1339
01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:21,310
disease why can't we grow it here try a

1340
01:06:28,980 --> 01:06:25,210
pound of seeds in oil try a five pound

1341
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1350
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1351
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1352
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entered the pair guests

1353
01:07:29,970 --> 01:07:26,000
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1354
01:07:33,060 --> 01:07:29,980
Ron Regehr who works with MUFON doing

1355
01:07:34,530 --> 01:07:33,070
lots of investigation on UFOs the

1356
01:07:37,110 --> 01:07:34,540
co-host is Chris O'Brien I'm gene

1357
01:07:39,870 --> 01:07:37,120
Steinberg you're in the power cast okay

1358
01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:39,880
so today we have the amount of material

1359
01:07:45,660 --> 01:07:42,490
that you've got what can we do today if

1360
01:07:47,670 --> 01:07:45,670
the US government has warehouse 13 with

1361
01:07:50,490 --> 01:07:47,680
the wreckage from Roswell maybe they're

1362
01:07:58,460 --> 01:07:50,500
keeping the alien bodies on ice how do

1363
01:07:58,470 --> 01:08:05,170
all the answers

1364
01:08:13,230 --> 01:08:10,230
[Laughter]

1365
01:08:15,840 --> 01:08:13,240
let's dovetail from one crash a

1366
01:08:18,480 --> 01:08:15,850
retrieval potential crash turntable to

1367
01:08:21,300 --> 01:08:18,490
another one I remember back in I think

1368
01:08:23,460 --> 01:08:21,310
it was 2003 or four there was a story

1369
01:08:24,930 --> 01:08:23,470
being floated around by some area

1370
01:08:27,390 --> 01:08:24,940
investigators you were state director I

1371
01:08:31,980 --> 01:08:27,400
think at the time for MUFON in Utah and

1372
01:08:33,720 --> 01:08:31,990
I was contacted by one of one of your

1373
01:08:37,410 --> 01:08:33,730
Utah investigators about an alleged

1374
01:08:39,349 --> 01:08:37,420
crash that occurred right along the Utah

1375
01:08:42,840 --> 01:08:39,359
Nevada border and there was a strange

1376
01:08:45,750 --> 01:08:42,850
marking in the desert that was visible

1377
01:08:48,390 --> 01:08:45,760
from the air and there seemed to be some

1378
01:08:53,270 --> 01:08:48,400
kind of nefarious going on with the site

1379
01:08:55,650 --> 01:08:53,280
a famous a woman UFO investigator

1380
01:08:56,910 --> 01:08:55,660
happened to hear about the story and did

1381
01:08:59,070 --> 01:08:56,920
a complete investigation

1382
01:09:03,090 --> 01:08:59,080
now let's mention who that person is

1383
01:09:04,680 --> 01:09:03,100
okay well I love that I love her dearly

1384
01:09:07,530 --> 01:09:04,690
but boy she's the dragon queen of

1385
01:09:10,470 --> 01:09:07,540
ufology Linda Moulton Howe was brought

1386
01:09:12,360 --> 01:09:10,480
in on the case it did did a site visit

1387
01:09:13,980 --> 01:09:12,370
and something didn't quite add up in

1388
01:09:15,960 --> 01:09:13,990
your mind if I remember correctly Ron

1389
01:09:18,390 --> 01:09:15,970
and you did your own investigation and

1390
01:09:21,570 --> 01:09:18,400
once you kind of lead us through what

1391
01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:21,580
happened after that okay Linda made a

1392
01:09:28,080 --> 01:09:24,970
presentation at Ryan Woods crash

1393
01:09:31,140 --> 01:09:28,090
retrieval conference in Las Vegas and I

1394
01:09:35,220 --> 01:09:31,150
was intrigued because this happened in

1395
01:09:36,990 --> 01:09:35,230
my state and one of the things that she

1396
01:09:39,059 --> 01:09:37,000
brought out in her presentation was this

1397
01:09:41,430 --> 01:09:39,069
list of people who

1398
01:09:46,260 --> 01:09:41,440
showed up at this little little teeny

1399
01:09:49,740 --> 01:09:46,270
remote area and the desert of western

1400
01:09:51,959 --> 01:09:49,750
Utah that what a heck were they doing

1401
01:09:55,530 --> 01:09:51,969
there I mean this was high-ranking

1402
01:09:59,189 --> 01:09:55,540
officers of the Air Force Army

1403
01:10:03,450 --> 01:09:59,199
Department of Defense several civilian

1404
01:10:05,669 --> 01:10:03,460
contractors it didn't make any sense and

1405
01:10:07,830 --> 01:10:05,679
that coupled with what she presented

1406
01:10:11,459 --> 01:10:07,840
made it sure sound like there was

1407
01:10:14,669 --> 01:10:11,469
something very very strange going on and

1408
01:10:18,060 --> 01:10:14,679
I bought into her story and so what I

1409
01:10:20,939 --> 01:10:18,070
did was I suggestible and it says she

1410
01:10:23,550 --> 01:10:20,949
did not live nearby and I did I could go

1411
01:10:25,169 --> 01:10:23,560
and check out some of these names and

1412
01:10:28,020 --> 01:10:25,179
some of these people and some of these

1413
01:10:30,120 --> 01:10:28,030
events and and do a little more legwork

1414
01:10:31,859 --> 01:10:30,130
for since it was obviously a lot more

1415
01:10:35,040 --> 01:10:31,869
difficult for her to get there that was

1416
01:10:38,040 --> 01:10:35,050
for me so I went out there I don't like

1417
01:10:41,580 --> 01:10:38,050
I just see you up I'll see for myself

1418
01:10:43,620 --> 01:10:41,590
as it turns out we met the station

1419
01:10:45,180 --> 01:10:43,630
manager we just happened to be there I

1420
01:10:48,149 --> 01:10:45,190
mean he would go we didn't call ahead

1421
01:10:50,430 --> 01:10:48,159
nothing just fat dumb and happy

1422
01:10:52,830 --> 01:10:50,440
like other people had except we didn't

1423
01:10:54,689 --> 01:10:52,840
have to break anything he was there we

1424
01:10:55,740 --> 01:10:54,699
got about a 1 hour in if you go got it

1425
01:11:00,330 --> 01:10:55,750
all on tape

1426
01:11:04,050 --> 01:11:00,340
in fact I got on video what's going on

1427
01:11:06,660 --> 01:11:04,060
here and he laughed and he turns out

1428
01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:06,670
that he didn't know you just come on the

1429
01:11:12,540 --> 01:11:09,610
stand kitchen is his name a few years

1430
01:11:14,819 --> 01:11:12,550
ago he didn't know anything about it but

1431
01:11:19,229 --> 01:11:14,829
somebody broken into this facility

1432
01:11:21,930 --> 01:11:19,239
and stolen his logbook and that was a

1433
01:11:25,200 --> 01:11:21,940
stolen act active government facility

1434
01:11:28,109 --> 01:11:25,210
and as such there was a federal crime to

1435
01:11:30,270 --> 01:11:28,119
break into it and be all the material

1436
01:11:32,819 --> 01:11:30,280
that he was generous he says they just

1437
01:11:36,569 --> 01:11:32,829
send me a photocopy some ice like an

1438
01:11:38,970 --> 01:11:36,579
advocacy record of the tenants log said

1439
01:11:40,740 --> 01:11:38,980
I'll be happy I don't guys know how to

1440
01:11:46,229 --> 01:11:40,750
press any charges he didn't want anybody

1441
01:11:48,030 --> 01:11:46,239
in jail to so in a process so we were

1442
01:11:52,470 --> 01:11:48,040
still curious was this

1443
01:11:54,540 --> 01:11:52,480
really 2,000 foot by 3,000 foot

1444
01:11:57,660 --> 01:11:54,550
triangular shapes UFO that had crashed

1445
01:12:00,570 --> 01:11:57,670
in the desert in 1947 and and he just

1446
01:12:03,660 --> 01:12:00,580
laughed and he said no I didn't think so

1447
01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:03,670
and this strange anomalous feature is

1448
01:12:11,640 --> 01:12:08,010
about a mile to two miles away from the

1449
01:12:14,490 --> 01:12:11,650
experimental range where this facility

1450
01:12:15,870 --> 01:12:14,500
was seven we started looking and you're

1451
01:12:18,030 --> 01:12:15,880
welcome to go as a matter of fact he

1452
01:12:20,729 --> 01:12:18,040
insisted because it got so many

1453
01:12:22,440 --> 01:12:20,739
telephone calls so much many people

1454
01:12:26,490 --> 01:12:22,450
coming there to visit as a result of

1455
01:12:30,330 --> 01:12:26,500
Linda's discussion and posting this on

1456
01:12:33,330 --> 01:12:30,340
her earthfiles web page follow us WWF

1457
01:12:36,780 --> 01:12:33,340
Iosefa web page excellent material most

1458
01:12:38,610 --> 01:12:36,790
of it and he's disgusted with all these

1459
01:12:41,460 --> 01:12:38,620
visitors and breaking in somebody is

1460
01:12:44,280 --> 01:12:41,470
stolen a bunch of solar panels from a

1461
01:12:46,320 --> 01:12:44,290
solar panel array and this place is in

1462
01:12:49,110 --> 01:12:46,330
the middle of nowhere I mean it's way

1463
01:12:51,330 --> 01:12:49,120
out there so he insisted we took us

1464
01:12:53,640 --> 01:12:51,340
through every single room of every

1465
01:12:55,500 --> 01:12:53,650
single building move furniture move file

1466
01:12:58,229 --> 01:12:55,510
cabinets lettuce thump on walls

1467
01:13:00,720 --> 01:12:58,239
thump on floors look at every single

1468
01:13:02,430 --> 01:13:00,730
thing and let me show you nothing

1469
01:13:04,320 --> 01:13:02,440
mysterious going on what was that

1470
01:13:06,900 --> 01:13:04,330
facility actually used for what was the

1471
01:13:10,890 --> 01:13:06,910
official purpose for it being there okay

1472
01:13:13,440 --> 01:13:10,900
we started a night in the 1930s as an

1473
01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:13,450
experimental station to determine the

1474
01:13:29,550 --> 01:13:16,090
effects of grazing on the desert this is

1475
01:13:32,070 --> 01:13:29,560
a high desert area how many dv/dt orion

1476
01:13:35,850 --> 01:13:32,080
grazing units that's what the government

1477
01:13:37,580 --> 01:13:35,860
calls cows bovine crazy units which he

1478
01:13:42,979 --> 01:13:37,590
thought was kind of funny

1479
01:13:46,860 --> 01:13:42,989
kirk and they have and so they were

1480
01:13:50,040 --> 01:13:46,870
established to mark out they have this

1481
01:13:52,260 --> 01:13:50,050
area divided into sections i would i

1482
01:13:54,120 --> 01:13:52,270
didn't measure them and didn't ask and

1483
01:13:57,220 --> 01:13:54,130
he didn't tell but I'd say roughly a

1484
01:14:00,190 --> 01:13:57,230
hundred yards suicide

1485
01:14:02,110 --> 01:14:00,200
stuff and then they would allow cattle

1486
01:14:03,850 --> 01:14:02,120
to graze in there for a period of time

1487
01:14:08,500 --> 01:14:03,860
and then fence it off and see how it

1488
01:14:12,070 --> 01:14:08,510
recovered and what he would do with all

1489
01:14:14,770 --> 01:14:12,080
areas opened up to grazing now maybe a

1490
01:14:16,750 --> 01:14:14,780
hundred acres for the long short of it

1491
01:14:17,080 --> 01:14:16,760
is there's nothing mysterious going on

1492
01:14:26,890 --> 01:14:17,090
there

1493
01:14:31,570 --> 01:14:26,900
sounds pretty mundane officers was what

1494
01:14:33,820 --> 01:14:31,580
they had considered that facility as the

1495
01:14:37,660 --> 01:14:33,830
federal government owned it for one of

1496
01:14:39,670 --> 01:14:37,670
the racetrack for the missile program

1497
01:14:41,140 --> 01:14:39,680
ever we were going to put our missiles

1498
01:14:42,790 --> 01:14:41,150
around trains and run them around the

1499
01:14:44,979 --> 01:14:42,800
desert so the Soviets couldn't figure

1500
01:14:47,440 --> 01:14:44,989
out where they were and we were

1501
01:14:48,640 --> 01:14:47,450
considering that for one of the site so

1502
01:14:50,050 --> 01:14:48,650
I come out there to look at it that's

1503
01:14:52,479 --> 01:14:50,060
why all the Air Force folks were there

1504
01:14:55,240 --> 01:14:52,489
what was that strange huge marking out

1505
01:14:56,560 --> 01:14:55,250
in the desert that triangular-shaped it

1506
01:14:57,970 --> 01:14:56,570
looked like a depression out in the

1507
01:15:03,450 --> 01:14:57,980
desert did you ever get to the bottom of

1508
01:15:05,740 --> 01:15:03,460
that natural geologic feature I googled

1509
01:15:07,990 --> 01:15:05,750
triangular geologic features or

1510
01:15:10,540 --> 01:15:08,000
something like that and found there are

1511
01:15:13,810 --> 01:15:10,550
literally thousands of them around the

1512
01:15:17,370 --> 01:15:13,820
world two of them under the Great Salt

1513
01:15:21,820 --> 01:15:17,380
Lake's as you can see in aerial photos

1514
01:15:23,800 --> 01:15:21,830
had been something bizarre something out

1515
01:15:25,780 --> 01:15:23,810
of the ordinary some like especially the

1516
01:15:28,900 --> 01:15:25,790
crashed UFOs he claimed it was part of

1517
01:15:31,510 --> 01:15:28,910
the it was the actual Kingman Arizona

1518
01:15:34,060 --> 01:15:31,520
UFO crash I think I will get more of

1519
01:15:36,280 --> 01:15:34,070
this in a moment here Ron Berger joining

1520
01:15:39,250 --> 01:15:36,290
us this week the coast is Chris O'Brien

1521
01:15:40,930 --> 01:15:39,260
I'm gene Steinberg you're in the para

1522
01:15:49,729 --> 01:15:40,940
cuz

1523
01:15:53,129 --> 01:15:49,739
[Music]

1524
01:15:55,830 --> 01:15:53,139
Ray Perkins a reclusive veteran burned

1525
01:15:58,129 --> 01:15:55,840
out from the Gulf War lives tortured by

1526
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1527
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1528
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space and of a mysterious woman

1529
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suffering an agony for her devastated

1530
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world a woman not yet born calling

1531
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across centuries to him then a

1532
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1533
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1534
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1536
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1537
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1538
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1551
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1552
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1560
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1578
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you may not be thinking about ammo when

1579
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1580
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good because battery station has a large

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1584
01:18:12,750 --> 01:18:09,670
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1585
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in precious metals for 389 millimeter 40

1586
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1590
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1595
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in gold and silver

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but don't forget about investing in LED

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1598
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1599
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go to battery station comm today most

1600
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Americans believe famine and hunger will

1601
01:18:58,050 --> 01:18:55,540
never happen but what if day one mayhem

1602
01:19:00,080 --> 01:18:58,060
breaks out at grocery stores day three

1603
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families are on edge

1604
01:19:06,240 --> 01:19:04,030
day five the neighbors come knocking day

1605
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1606
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stealing at gunpoint day fifteen

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desperation but the government can't

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help because there's no food left

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food supply better a year too soon that

1625
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one day too late on air online and on

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01:20:03,440 --> 01:19:58,770
demand we are the gcn

1627
01:20:06,560 --> 01:20:03,450
Network hi this is Nate Pope's you're

1628
01:20:09,200 --> 01:20:06,570
listening to the Paragon as the show

1629
01:20:11,240 --> 01:20:09,210
progresses neighbors Kris voice gets

1630
01:20:14,690 --> 01:20:11,250
deeper and deeper and soon he'll be

1631
01:20:16,520 --> 01:20:14,700
totally asleep but he's also co-host

1632
01:20:19,070 --> 01:20:16,530
this week so we got stay awake the guest

1633
01:20:20,900 --> 01:20:19,080
is Ron Regehr longtime UFO researcher

1634
01:20:24,070 --> 01:20:20,910
I'm gene steinberger in the power cast

1635
01:20:26,600 --> 01:20:24,080
so the long and short of it is what is

1636
01:20:28,460 --> 01:20:26,610
Linda Moulton Howe saying about this

1637
01:20:28,730 --> 01:20:28,470
case that turned out to have nothing to

1638
01:20:42,830 --> 01:20:28,740
it

1639
01:20:45,110 --> 01:20:42,840
protrudes this is about Oh roughly three

1640
01:20:48,590 --> 01:20:45,120
to four foot higher than the surrounding

1641
01:20:51,160 --> 01:20:48,600
desert terrain that's why you can see it

1642
01:20:54,830 --> 01:20:51,170
[Music]

1643
01:20:56,210 --> 01:20:54,840
they have 11 days to get the troops

1644
01:20:58,430 --> 01:20:56,220
assembled to fill it up because the

1645
01:21:00,470 --> 01:20:58,440
photograph was taken 11 days after the

1646
01:21:04,580 --> 01:21:00,480
Kingman Arizona press they couldn't have

1647
01:21:07,460 --> 01:21:04,590
done it in that period of time I think

1648
01:21:16,760 --> 01:21:07,470
what a 20-page report and you sent it to

1649
01:21:19,550 --> 01:21:16,770
Linda what happened before I publish it

1650
01:21:23,240 --> 01:21:19,560
because I don't like to publish things

1651
01:21:26,830 --> 01:21:23,250
behind people's back she ignored it then

1652
01:21:30,340 --> 01:21:26,840
I went to physically his father at the

1653
01:21:32,570 --> 01:21:30,350
following crash retrieval conference and

1654
01:21:40,760 --> 01:21:32,580
because she was going to present on the

1655
01:21:46,400 --> 01:21:40,770
same dang thing an update on that she

1656
01:21:48,560 --> 01:21:46,410
was right she was so embarrassed so

1657
01:21:50,390 --> 01:21:48,570
you're wrong here so when were you part

1658
01:21:58,090 --> 01:21:50,400
of the problem government disinformation

1659
01:22:03,380 --> 01:21:58,100
agent what she's the other case in Utah

1660
01:22:05,390 --> 01:22:03,390
was a you love this one young boy either

1661
01:22:07,520 --> 01:22:05,400
two years old or five years old

1662
01:22:08,699 --> 01:22:07,530
they know it's Purvis story you want to

1663
01:22:10,949 --> 01:22:08,709
believe

1664
01:22:14,040 --> 01:22:10,959
Walter's father design and build the

1665
01:22:30,029 --> 01:22:14,050
first transistorized radar stage now the

1666
01:22:33,779 --> 01:22:30,039
place called blowhard it was a simple

1667
01:22:36,120 --> 01:22:33,789
call to the iron County Recorder's

1668
01:22:38,790 --> 01:22:36,130
office okay so the Montana's don't

1669
01:22:41,040 --> 01:22:38,800
bother me with facts and also Linda

1670
01:22:43,109 --> 01:22:41,050
Moulton Howe and we have not really

1671
01:22:45,029 --> 01:22:43,119
wanted to invite her on the show for

1672
01:22:47,069 --> 01:22:45,039
those reasons because it would be you

1673
01:22:48,449 --> 01:22:47,079
know kind of a shouting match or

1674
01:22:50,399 --> 01:22:48,459
something because we'd have to be in

1675
01:22:52,290 --> 01:22:50,409
Mike Wallace mode and we'd have to

1676
01:22:54,149 --> 01:22:52,300
correct some of the things you know like

1677
01:22:56,399 --> 01:22:54,159
the thing about the drones a couple of

1678
01:22:58,410 --> 01:22:56,409
years back we have these pictures of

1679
01:23:00,719 --> 01:22:58,420
drones which of course were made up by

1680
01:23:03,810 --> 01:23:00,729
some special effects artists beneath

1681
01:23:05,939 --> 01:23:03,820
which they had Star Wars lettering but

1682
01:23:08,609 --> 01:23:05,949
she took it - yes didn't you load up the

1683
01:23:16,859 --> 01:23:08,619
K corporation or something like that if

1684
01:23:18,299 --> 01:23:16,869
I remember correctly CA ret the time but

1685
01:23:20,910 --> 01:23:18,309
it made her look really bad because

1686
01:23:23,040 --> 01:23:20,920
she's basically accepting all this stuff

1687
01:23:24,689 --> 01:23:23,050
and it's so unfortunate because when you

1688
01:23:26,669 --> 01:23:24,699
have people who are not doing their

1689
01:23:28,469 --> 01:23:26,679
research and maybe they'd like to tell

1690
01:23:29,790 --> 01:23:28,479
good stories it's good to have a good

1691
01:23:32,100 --> 01:23:29,800
story you know nothing wrong with

1692
01:23:33,689 --> 01:23:32,110
telling good stories we have people who

1693
01:23:35,699 --> 01:23:33,699
come on the power cast every so often

1694
01:23:37,819 --> 01:23:35,709
and they tell stories and some are true

1695
01:23:40,439 --> 01:23:37,829
and some are not this especially the

1696
01:23:42,029 --> 01:23:40,449
conspiracy theory tails really

1697
01:23:44,520 --> 01:23:42,039
interesting but we have something like

1698
01:23:46,379 --> 01:23:44,530
UFOs it's something that we can't get a

1699
01:23:48,359 --> 01:23:46,389
handle on we don't really know the

1700
01:23:50,729 --> 01:23:48,369
secrets maybe there is the silence group

1701
01:23:54,899 --> 01:23:50,739
in the US government with the recovered

1702
01:23:55,620 --> 01:23:54,909
crash refuge and the alien bodies and

1703
01:23:56,969 --> 01:23:55,630
all this stuff

1704
01:23:59,370 --> 01:23:56,979
maybe it's happening but then you have

1705
01:24:00,149 --> 01:23:59,380
the storytellers who go about making up

1706
01:24:02,879 --> 01:24:00,159
tall tales

1707
01:24:04,890 --> 01:24:02,889
now maybe we should move away from the

1708
01:24:07,439 --> 01:24:04,900
tall tales now you did some work on

1709
01:24:09,390 --> 01:24:07,449
Roswell very useful what other key cases

1710
01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:09,400
have you studied where you've done some

1711
01:24:17,100 --> 01:24:12,010
personal research to assess whether

1712
01:24:19,880 --> 01:24:17,110
something was genuine compelling UFO

1713
01:24:24,800 --> 01:24:19,890
cases and that would be

1714
01:24:27,370 --> 01:24:24,810
the Iranian UFO case that was where the

1715
01:24:31,520 --> 01:24:27,380
Imperial Iranian Air Force launched to

1716
01:24:34,730 --> 01:24:31,530
f4 fighters not at the same time one

1717
01:24:39,940 --> 01:24:34,740
fighter subsequently another fighter to

1718
01:24:42,890 --> 01:24:39,950
intercept and shoot down a UFO that was

1719
01:24:47,870 --> 01:24:42,900
terrorizing the population of their

1720
01:24:53,390 --> 01:24:47,880
capital Tehran and this was probably the

1721
01:24:56,960 --> 01:24:53,400
best UFO case ever started out with the

1722
01:25:01,100 --> 01:24:56,970
air traffic controller at the Tehran

1723
01:25:05,300 --> 01:25:01,110
Airport getting a call of a strange

1724
01:25:07,040 --> 01:25:05,310
light and we can all laugh at strange

1725
01:25:08,420 --> 01:25:07,050
lights in the skies but sometimes they

1726
01:25:11,030 --> 01:25:08,430
turn out to be something much more than

1727
01:25:12,650 --> 01:25:11,040
a light that was the case here that

1728
01:25:16,790 --> 01:25:12,660
strange light was maneuvering over the

1729
01:25:18,830 --> 01:25:16,800
city so they launched an f4 which was

1730
01:25:23,660 --> 01:25:18,840
then the top-of-the-line fighter we were

1731
01:25:27,350 --> 01:25:23,670
in good with the this is in 1974 with

1732
01:25:30,050 --> 01:25:27,360
the Shah of Iran and so we launched this

1733
01:25:32,840 --> 01:25:30,060
f-4 fighter to attempt to intercept find

1734
01:25:35,600 --> 01:25:32,850
out what this light is he said it was a

1735
01:25:37,670 --> 01:25:35,610
craft he tried to assimilate that radar

1736
01:25:41,030 --> 01:25:37,680
lock that is as soon as his weapons

1737
01:25:43,910 --> 01:25:41,040
system was ready to launch a missile at

1738
01:25:47,210 --> 01:25:43,920
the target all his onboard electronics

1739
01:25:49,400 --> 01:25:47,220
failed the plane started to fall out of

1740
01:25:52,400 --> 01:25:49,410
the sky because we didn't have any

1741
01:25:55,070 --> 01:25:52,410
controls and as soon as he ceased to be

1742
01:25:58,430 --> 01:25:55,080
a threat all his electronics came on

1743
01:26:01,810 --> 01:25:58,440
again he was a little bit upset about

1744
01:26:06,550 --> 01:26:01,820
that as was the air traffic controller

1745
01:26:10,100 --> 01:26:06,560
in the meantime all this is going on

1746
01:26:11,600 --> 01:26:10,110
everybody in the Imperial Iranian Air

1747
01:26:15,440 --> 01:26:11,610
Force High Command was notified

1748
01:26:17,120 --> 01:26:15,450
including the commander of which would

1749
01:26:21,710 --> 01:26:17,130
be the same thing as our Secretary of

1750
01:26:24,620 --> 01:26:21,720
the Air Force ordered the launch of a

1751
01:26:27,050 --> 01:26:24,630
second ever for believing that one had

1752
01:26:31,120 --> 01:26:27,060
malfunctioned or the pilot or God goofy

1753
01:26:34,630 --> 01:26:31,130
or something else the second f4

1754
01:26:37,030 --> 01:26:34,640
closed on the target as soon as radar

1755
01:26:39,520 --> 01:26:37,040
lock was achieved all onboard

1756
01:26:41,530 --> 01:26:39,530
electronics failed soon as the plane

1757
01:26:44,410 --> 01:26:41,540
failed to be a threat they all came back

1758
01:26:47,230 --> 01:26:44,420
on again they didn't want us to see

1759
01:26:53,110 --> 01:26:47,240
their like they didn't want us to see

1760
01:26:55,240 --> 01:26:53,120
them get too close engineer for quite a

1761
01:26:57,670 --> 01:26:55,250
few years and I can assure you we didn't

1762
01:26:59,470 --> 01:26:57,680
we could cause electronics to fail we

1763
01:27:02,140 --> 01:26:59,480
can do that the biggie and people

1764
01:27:03,910 --> 01:27:02,150
focused on electronics so you think that

1765
01:27:06,160 --> 01:27:03,920
maybe civilization it's a couple of

1766
01:27:19,510 --> 01:27:06,170
thousand years ahead of us can do that

1767
01:27:26,080 --> 01:27:19,520
at the snap of a finger to commercial

1768
01:27:27,880 --> 01:27:26,090
airliners their crew and passengers the

1769
01:27:30,460 --> 01:27:27,890
most compelling of all was my

1770
01:27:37,770 --> 01:27:30,470
involvement and we spotted it from our

1771
01:27:40,960 --> 01:27:37,780
DSP satellite and so we had 38 frames of

1772
01:27:44,680 --> 01:27:40,970
observation of this thing it was not

1773
01:27:48,250 --> 01:27:44,690
only over Tehran it continued on from

1774
01:27:53,170 --> 01:27:48,260
Tehran over across somewhere around

1775
01:27:56,740 --> 01:27:53,180
Portugal for that was last seen so here

1776
01:28:00,550 --> 01:27:56,750
we have this event that was detected by

1777
01:28:04,120 --> 01:28:00,560
about 500,000 people on the ground

1778
01:28:09,820 --> 01:28:04,130
windows broken car wrecks people

1779
01:28:12,790 --> 01:28:09,830
panicking the DIA station chief said it

1780
01:28:17,290 --> 01:28:12,800
was really a further investigation nor

1781
01:28:21,040 --> 01:28:17,300
any report of that to his boss at the

1782
01:28:22,960 --> 01:28:21,050
BIA who said then sent that memo on to

1783
01:28:25,270 --> 01:28:22,970
the president the United States a head

1784
01:28:27,350 --> 01:28:25,280
of the CIA the head of the US Air Force

1785
01:28:31,970 --> 01:28:27,360
among others

1786
01:28:34,460 --> 01:28:31,980
so we have a no really event and I've

1787
01:28:36,620 --> 01:28:34,470
written probably 24 years on that and

1788
01:28:38,990 --> 01:28:36,630
never got a single response back

1789
01:28:41,390 --> 01:28:39,000
other than we have no record responding

1790
01:28:44,630 --> 01:28:41,400
to your request so basically you don't

1791
01:28:47,150 --> 01:28:44,640
have the satellite information you know

1792
01:28:49,610 --> 01:28:47,160
the satellite information exists but as

1793
01:28:50,720 --> 01:28:49,620
far as the US government is concerned we

1794
01:28:53,120 --> 01:28:50,730
have nothing for you

1795
01:28:56,450 --> 01:28:53,130
that's right okay and they know who you

1796
01:28:58,280 --> 01:28:56,460
are right right the 60-day report every

1797
01:29:00,680 --> 01:28:58,290
60 days where do I report to the Air

1798
01:29:03,160 --> 01:29:00,690
Force or what happened in the preceding

1799
01:29:06,170 --> 01:29:03,170
60 day period with their satellite

1800
01:29:07,550 --> 01:29:06,180
report yeah so you are requesting from

1801
01:29:09,110 --> 01:29:07,560
the government your own report and they

1802
01:29:10,490 --> 01:29:09,120
said it didn't exist right well that's

1803
01:29:13,010 --> 01:29:10,500
very interesting maybe they're giving

1804
01:29:15,500 --> 01:29:13,020
you a qualitative comment there or being

1805
01:29:17,420 --> 01:29:15,510
too critical of what you've written I'm

1806
01:29:19,490 --> 01:29:17,430
being facetious here ladies and

1807
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gentlemen if you have more to say about

1808
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what you hear on this episode send it to

1809
01:29:28,010 --> 01:29:25,200
news at the Peres cast comm news at the

1810
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para cast comm Rodrigue air joining us

1811
01:29:33,050 --> 01:29:30,300
longtime UFO researcher talking about

1812
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his personal experiences observing

1813
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1814
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1815
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Jean Steinberg you're in the Parkers

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are the gcn radio network Ron Regehr

1922
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regaling us boy you know how to that

1923
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kind of phrase we're getting us about

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his experiences about trying to recover

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from the government his own reports that

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he submitted and he's told they do not

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exist maybe that's a critic saying that

1928
01:34:30,260 --> 01:34:28,530
didn't like your report I'm really being

1929
01:34:31,970 --> 01:34:30,270
facetious again Chris O'Brien's a

1930
01:34:34,880 --> 01:34:31,980
co-host I'm gene Steinberg during the

1931
01:34:38,030 --> 01:34:34,890
para cast so did you ever say hey guys I

1932
01:34:45,940 --> 01:34:38,040
wrote this report I sent it to you how

1933
01:34:49,280 --> 01:34:45,950
can you tell me it's not their report I

1934
01:34:54,340 --> 01:34:49,290
know he says we're not part of the foyer

1935
01:35:02,180 --> 01:34:56,990
said please report on this date to this

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office address distribution list as

1937
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required by our contract and still no

1938
01:35:12,380 --> 01:35:08,370
records responses I mean they just don't

1939
01:35:19,030 --> 01:35:12,390
all please they don't mind allowing them

1940
01:35:24,950 --> 01:35:23,210
after so many I know that well over a

1941
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thousand for a request not just on this

1942
01:35:30,050 --> 01:35:27,860
there are many other subjects and

1943
01:35:33,350 --> 01:35:30,060
sometimes they respond sometimes they

1944
01:35:36,500 --> 01:35:33,360
don't the last two years like the last

1945
01:35:39,229 --> 01:35:36,510
for the last two years of the previous

1946
01:35:42,260 --> 01:35:39,239
administration and so far in this

1947
01:35:47,420 --> 01:35:42,270
administration they've got markedly

1948
01:35:51,440 --> 01:35:47,430
worse in responding I would say open

1949
01:35:53,450 --> 01:35:51,450
changes hopeless and changeless and as

1950
01:35:57,800 --> 01:35:53,460
far as for installed they're more

1951
01:36:01,010 --> 01:35:57,810
secretive than I suspect anyone in the

1952
01:36:04,070 --> 01:36:01,020
Soviet Union ever wanted to be I mean

1953
01:36:07,910 --> 01:36:04,080
these things so much for transparency in

1954
01:36:11,630 --> 01:36:07,920
government right because

1955
01:36:13,990 --> 01:36:11,640
almost everything now is is salt under

1956
01:36:18,230 --> 01:36:14,000
the purview of Homeland Security and

1957
01:36:19,550 --> 01:36:18,240
exempt from disclosure so it's I don't

1958
01:36:22,580 --> 01:36:19,560
know where we're going to go from here

1959
01:36:25,070 --> 01:36:22,590
it's just a sad commentary that we're

1960
01:36:26,960 --> 01:36:25,080
having our freedoms eroded so quickly

1961
01:36:28,520 --> 01:36:26,970
well the Patriot Act I mean if we're

1962
01:36:30,890 --> 01:36:28,530
going to get into politics let's get

1963
01:36:33,170 --> 01:36:30,900
into politics very briefly the Patriot

1964
01:36:46,370 --> 01:36:33,180
Act gives the government more authority

1965
01:36:48,080 --> 01:36:46,380
over the things that you do so it

1966
01:36:50,900 --> 01:36:48,090
disclosure because this raises the issue

1967
01:36:52,250 --> 01:36:50,910
of disclosure and some people are

1968
01:36:55,130 --> 01:36:52,260
suggesting every time there's a new

1969
01:36:57,530 --> 01:36:55,140
administration that this president will

1970
01:37:00,110 --> 01:36:57,540
be more amenable to revealing

1971
01:37:04,090 --> 01:37:00,120
information about UFOs and certainly I

1972
01:37:07,160 --> 01:37:04,100
think they go enter the office right the

1973
01:37:08,690 --> 01:37:07,170
anticipation of being open and honest

1974
01:37:10,430 --> 01:37:08,700
and then they get briefed and then they

1975
01:37:13,370 --> 01:37:10,440
know what's gonna happen they shut up

1976
01:37:15,620 --> 01:37:13,380
Jimmy Carter went public and said he

1977
01:37:18,470 --> 01:37:15,630
would tell everybody because he had a

1978
01:37:22,700 --> 01:37:18,480
sighting John Podesta was going to

1979
01:37:24,950 --> 01:37:22,710
reveal all he was a close associate with

1980
01:37:27,680 --> 01:37:24,960
the Clinton administration in current

1981
01:37:29,360 --> 01:37:27,690
with the current administration also

1982
01:37:35,990 --> 01:37:29,370
wrote the foreword for read Leslie

1983
01:37:48,170 --> 01:37:36,000
Cain's new book right answers but they

1984
01:37:50,570 --> 01:37:48,180
are either in I want to make clear my

1985
01:37:53,690 --> 01:37:50,580
position on disclosure I'd like to see

1986
01:37:55,780 --> 01:37:53,700
it but it ain't gonna happen people are

1987
01:37:59,300 --> 01:37:55,790
more concerned about the stain on some

1988
01:38:01,820 --> 01:37:59,310
office aides dress than they are about

1989
01:38:05,720 --> 01:38:01,830
disclosure so the people in this country

1990
01:38:06,920 --> 01:38:05,730
do not want a disclosure yeah many of

1991
01:38:08,480 --> 01:38:06,930
the people in this country aren't

1992
01:38:12,920 --> 01:38:08,490
demanding it because they don't know

1993
01:38:18,500 --> 01:38:12,930
there's something to disclose see the

1994
01:38:19,160 --> 01:38:18,510
tabloids is the most popular thing on

1995
01:38:22,250 --> 01:38:19,170
the web

1996
01:38:24,080 --> 01:38:22,260
now followed closely by UFOs and I mean

1997
01:38:25,790 --> 01:38:24,090
we don't have to disclose anything at

1998
01:38:28,669 --> 01:38:25,800
the point is people we sure have a lot

1999
01:38:32,000 --> 01:38:28,679
of cover-up going on and I love that

2000
01:38:38,439 --> 01:38:32,010
transition cover-up supposed to port and

2001
01:38:48,709 --> 01:38:38,449
stained addresses also are interested

2002
01:38:52,970 --> 01:38:48,719
fascinating anything to bring about

2003
01:38:56,300 --> 01:38:52,980
disclosure is I think started by having

2004
01:39:02,209 --> 01:38:56,310
discussions such as para cast supporting

2005
01:39:04,729 --> 01:39:02,219
somebody suggests peckmon and his tech

2006
01:39:06,800 --> 01:39:04,739
man has got some credentials there that

2007
01:39:08,720 --> 01:39:06,810
a little questionable such as his

2008
01:39:21,380 --> 01:39:08,730
involvement in the stammering Romanek

2009
01:39:24,110 --> 01:39:21,390
case and you know what the thing is the

2010
01:39:26,209 --> 01:39:24,120
way the reality of recording shows is

2011
01:39:29,419 --> 01:39:26,219
concerned will know that answer when

2012
01:39:30,590 --> 01:39:29,429
this show is that's right well know if

2013
01:39:31,700 --> 01:39:30,600
you're right and wrong so I'll tell you

2014
01:39:34,850 --> 01:39:31,710
what I'm gonna really put you on the

2015
01:39:37,459 --> 01:39:34,860
spot Ron okay knowing that we are a

2016
01:39:39,260 --> 01:39:37,469
little over a week away from when the

2017
01:39:41,720 --> 01:39:39,270
show will be aired a few days ahead of

2018
01:39:47,439 --> 01:39:41,730
Election Day do you think this measure

2019
01:39:49,910 --> 01:39:47,449
in Colorado is gonna pass yeah okay Wow

2020
01:39:52,580 --> 01:39:49,920
all right but the thing I'm concerned

2021
01:39:54,560 --> 01:39:52,590
about more so than that you know okay so

2022
01:39:56,870 --> 01:39:54,570
Jeff peckmon gets signatures and puts up

2023
01:39:59,090 --> 01:39:56,880
a bowel initiative maybe it will do some

2024
01:40:03,260 --> 01:39:59,100
good maybe it will black should I have

2025
01:40:05,570 --> 01:40:03,270
is more the concern about the people who

2026
01:40:07,550 --> 01:40:05,580
were involved in XO politics you know

2027
01:40:10,250 --> 01:40:07,560
it's like setting up into planetary

2028
01:40:12,110 --> 01:40:10,260
agencies that we're supposed to know how

2029
01:40:18,979 --> 01:40:12,120
to deal with et what do you think of XO

2030
01:40:25,520 --> 01:40:18,989
politics can we quote you on that I

2031
01:40:30,979 --> 01:40:25,530
think we just did yeah I think you're

2032
01:40:33,210 --> 01:40:30,989
right absolutely I agree against them

2033
01:40:35,200 --> 01:40:33,220
you know it's

2034
01:40:37,890 --> 01:40:35,210
there's a lot of well-meaning people

2035
01:40:40,630 --> 01:40:37,900
with good ideas that ain't gonna happen

2036
01:40:42,280 --> 01:40:40,640
the government does not want this closed

2037
01:40:47,620 --> 01:40:42,290
or otherwise that opened their doors as

2038
01:40:49,330 --> 01:40:47,630
a here it is folks anyway how could you

2039
01:40:55,360 --> 01:40:49,340
blame anyway they've been lying for 60

2040
01:40:57,750 --> 01:40:55,370
plus years boy boy you're my socks off

2041
01:40:59,950 --> 01:40:57,760
but here's the problem about this also

2042
01:41:01,630 --> 01:40:59,960
we don't believe the government anymore

2043
01:41:03,880 --> 01:41:01,640
the government is incompetent the

2044
01:41:05,230 --> 01:41:03,890
bureaucrats are incompetent so even if

2045
01:41:07,270 --> 01:41:05,240
the government comes up there and says

2046
01:41:09,610 --> 01:41:07,280
well now we'll admit that they're yeah I

2047
01:41:11,800 --> 01:41:09,620
guess there is et out there and they

2048
01:41:16,230 --> 01:41:11,810
appear to be visiting us if they even

2049
01:41:46,270 --> 01:41:33,130
the last one to jump on the back well in

2050
01:41:48,690 --> 01:41:46,280
spite of the politicians how much of

2051
01:41:51,940 --> 01:41:48,700
this there's there's over the top

2052
01:41:55,420 --> 01:41:51,950
classified information that you know of

2053
01:41:56,980 --> 01:41:55,430
exotic technologies some of the things

2054
01:41:59,200 --> 01:41:56,990
that kind of have that hint of sci-fi

2055
01:42:01,000 --> 01:41:59,210
how much of this do you think is

2056
01:42:02,590 --> 01:42:01,010
contained within the private sector in

2057
01:42:04,180 --> 01:42:02,600
that actually the government wouldn't be

2058
01:42:06,820 --> 01:42:04,190
able to release it even if they wanted

2059
01:42:09,130 --> 01:42:06,830
to how much of this this exotic

2060
01:42:12,880 --> 01:42:09,140
technology knowledge and impossibly

2061
01:42:14,260 --> 01:42:12,890
knowledge of UFOs and ETS how much of

2062
01:42:16,180 --> 01:42:14,270
that is held in the private sector do

2063
01:42:28,960 --> 01:42:16,190
you think having been there for 30 plus

2064
01:42:30,940 --> 01:42:28,970
years contracts with a service

2065
01:42:34,330 --> 01:42:30,950
procurement regulations you think it's

2066
01:42:40,880 --> 01:42:34,340
so intertwined that it becomes a

2067
01:42:44,970 --> 01:42:40,890
nightmare let's assume that half of what

2068
01:42:46,860 --> 01:42:44,980
Colonel Courcelles said was true which I

2069
01:42:48,870 --> 01:42:46,870
don't think half of it is but let's just

2070
01:42:52,370 --> 01:42:48,880
think that as a starting point you know

2071
01:42:55,710 --> 01:42:52,380
night-vision goggles developed by the

2072
01:42:59,340 --> 01:42:55,720
different labs as a result of being

2073
01:43:03,000 --> 01:42:59,350
dribbled information from an alien class

2074
01:43:07,200 --> 01:43:03,010
retrieval well you know they then

2075
01:43:09,210 --> 01:43:07,210
develop that on their own and that is

2076
01:43:14,090 --> 01:43:09,220
their technology now right its

2077
01:43:19,560 --> 01:43:16,770
everything else the Corso brought out

2078
01:43:26,490 --> 01:43:19,570
the filming that were true he just sort

2079
01:43:30,420 --> 01:43:26,500
of provided like a lot of people you

2080
01:43:34,290 --> 01:43:31,610
[Music]

2081
01:43:36,870 --> 01:43:34,300
concerns about with Colonel Corso as a

2082
01:43:39,420 --> 01:43:36,880
faculty we have this distinguished

2083
01:43:41,580 --> 01:43:39,430
military figure towards the end of his

2084
01:43:44,280 --> 01:43:41,590
life he comes out with this book that he

2085
01:43:46,830 --> 01:43:44,290
co-wrote with bill burns called the day

2086
01:43:49,560 --> 01:43:46,840
after Roswell and I asked this over and

2087
01:43:52,200 --> 01:43:49,570
over again why would he make it all up

2088
01:43:56,690 --> 01:43:52,210
or even a lot of it up what does he have

2089
01:44:09,930 --> 01:44:03,240
and Courcelles relationship was not as

2090
01:44:11,280 --> 01:44:09,940
smooth as it would seem to be are you

2091
01:44:14,340 --> 01:44:11,290
gonna leave it at that or do you want to

2092
01:44:16,080 --> 01:44:14,350
you want to diet that ladies and

2093
01:44:18,900 --> 01:44:16,090
gentlemen I do want to dive in between

2094
01:44:20,850 --> 01:44:18,910
bill burns and Colonel Corso but we have

2095
01:44:22,620 --> 01:44:20,860
to do it for the next segment in the

2096
01:44:24,870 --> 01:44:22,630
final hour of the show Ron Regehr

2097
01:44:27,120 --> 01:44:24,880
longtime UFO research for joining us

2098
01:44:30,440 --> 01:44:27,130
Chris O'Brien's the co-host I'm gene

2099
01:44:39,810 --> 01:44:30,450
Steinberg you're in the para cast

2100
01:44:42,640 --> 01:44:39,820
[Music]

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01:44:44,859 --> 01:44:42,650
hi Ted Anderson announcing a great way

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show notice that Chris's voice gets

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01:46:08,100 --> 01:46:04,600
deeper and deeper and soon it will be so

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deep forget it Ranma gear joining us I'm

2127
01:46:13,380 --> 01:46:09,970
Jean Steinberg you're in the power cast

2128
01:46:19,140 --> 01:46:13,390
with the co-host Chris O'Brien okay so

2129
01:46:21,120 --> 01:46:19,150
let us let all you know first person

2130
01:46:23,550 --> 01:46:21,130
face to face not over the fall not and

2131
01:46:26,940 --> 01:46:23,560
some big meeting it was just the two of

2132
01:46:29,820 --> 01:46:26,950
us sitting down after a meeting and what

2133
01:46:33,060 --> 01:46:29,830
she was one of those speakers and and he

2134
01:46:36,500 --> 01:46:33,070
told me he was very disappointed in the

2135
01:46:40,620 --> 01:46:36,510
way the old burns took this material and

2136
01:46:45,470 --> 01:46:40,630
in some cases added a lot of stuff that

2137
01:46:49,860 --> 01:46:45,480
he never said and then kind of

2138
01:46:52,680 --> 01:46:49,870
sensationalized it and for example the

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moonbase stuff none of that came from

2140
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Phil course of course so according to

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01:47:01,160 --> 01:46:56,260
him what he knew what he was talking

2142
01:47:03,660 --> 01:47:01,170
with me later on after his passing

2143
01:47:06,210 --> 01:47:03,670
family if I understand it and they

2144
01:47:11,310 --> 01:47:06,220
member correctly filed suit against mr.

2145
01:47:14,010 --> 01:47:11,320
burns and I knew there was some legal

2146
01:47:16,980 --> 01:47:14,020
stuff going on but also there supposedly

2147
01:47:19,230 --> 01:47:16,990
is a version of the book out that is

2148
01:47:22,770 --> 01:47:19,240
closer to his original book rather than

2149
01:47:24,900 --> 01:47:22,780
the one manuscript open minds has

2150
01:47:28,590 --> 01:47:24,910
published his course those original

2151
01:47:31,890 --> 01:47:28,600
manuscript it was probably I believe

2152
01:47:36,870 --> 01:47:31,900
first original manuscript so I made my

2153
01:47:39,960 --> 01:47:36,880
desktop the other thing is that when I

2154
01:47:42,930 --> 01:47:39,970
was working with the James Bond Johnson

2155
01:47:50,370 --> 01:47:42,940
on the Roswell photos we were approached

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[Music]

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01:47:57,060 --> 01:47:54,969
took the stuff to the material the

2158
01:47:59,399 --> 01:47:57,070
contract proposed contract to his

2159
01:48:01,189 --> 01:47:59,409
attorney and his attorney said I

2160
01:48:03,600 --> 01:48:01,199
wouldn't touch this with a ten-foot pole

2161
01:48:06,330 --> 01:48:03,610
McCarthy said it's it's watching up you

2162
01:48:06,800 --> 01:48:06,340
cannot talk about this to anybody at any

2163
01:48:10,919 --> 01:48:06,810
time

2164
01:48:13,979 --> 01:48:10,929
he James Bond Johnson without Byrnes

2165
01:48:17,220 --> 01:48:13,989
written permission and he could not talk

2166
01:48:19,379 --> 01:48:17,230
about anything without burns for

2167
01:48:27,870 --> 01:48:19,389
knowledge so this would be kind of him

2168
01:48:31,410 --> 01:48:27,880
being the gatekeeper okay so basically

2169
01:48:34,220 --> 01:48:31,420
we look back at this now if this is the

2170
01:48:37,950 --> 01:48:34,230
original manuscript of the Corso case

2171
01:48:39,990 --> 01:48:37,960
yeah was he still the bagman handing out

2172
01:48:59,189 --> 01:48:40,000
the alien technology to private industry

2173
01:49:04,770 --> 01:48:59,199
or what the contents of the bag that was

2174
01:49:07,020 --> 01:49:04,780
all true trying to fulfill okay so well

2175
01:49:08,660 --> 01:49:07,030
no he did that but there was a lot of

2176
01:49:12,750 --> 01:49:08,670
stuff that's embellished in the book

2177
01:49:14,280 --> 01:49:12,760
right okay so the point is here is that

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01:49:16,590 --> 01:49:14,290
you're inclined to take him seriously

2179
01:49:18,780 --> 01:49:16,600
certainly the part in which he

2180
01:49:20,729 --> 01:49:18,790
participated but now let's look at the

2181
01:49:23,280 --> 01:49:20,739
larger picture here we want disclosure

2182
01:49:25,200 --> 01:49:23,290
from the US government other governments

2183
01:49:27,689 --> 01:49:25,210
around the world have on occasion

2184
01:49:30,600 --> 01:49:27,699
released UFO information we had Nick

2185
01:49:32,580 --> 01:49:30,610
Pope who worked with the UK's UFO

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01:49:34,470 --> 01:49:32,590
project for a number of years he's been

2187
01:49:37,290 --> 01:49:34,480
on the show a couple of times very

2188
01:49:39,300 --> 01:49:37,300
personable gentleman he can speak of

2189
01:49:42,060 --> 01:49:39,310
things that are possibly still

2190
01:49:47,060 --> 01:49:42,070
classified but is this these other

2191
01:49:54,510 --> 01:49:52,169
they're releasing files from file yes

2192
01:49:56,250 --> 01:49:54,520
the heat off the u.s. is what I think I

2193
01:49:58,649 --> 01:49:56,260
think that you know every time that you

2194
01:50:00,839 --> 01:49:58,659
see a release from Brazil or from from

2195
01:50:03,240 --> 01:50:00,849
England or France that seems to take the

2196
01:50:04,530 --> 01:50:03,250
heat off the US government for a limited

2197
01:50:06,510 --> 01:50:04,540
period of time and then

2198
01:50:08,970 --> 01:50:06,520
you know people wanted want the u.s. to

2199
01:50:11,490 --> 01:50:08,980
come forward okay so therefore maybe the

2200
01:50:13,440 --> 01:50:11,500
US government is working in concert with

2201
01:50:15,810 --> 01:50:13,450
these other governments to say release

2202
01:50:18,450 --> 01:50:15,820
some information shut it down for a

2203
01:50:22,340 --> 01:50:18,460
while and that works in our best

2204
01:50:28,520 --> 01:50:22,350
interests mutually that's what I think

2205
01:50:34,140 --> 01:50:31,670
there had been at one time

2206
01:50:36,120 --> 01:50:34,150
handshake agreements between heads of

2207
01:50:41,910 --> 01:50:36,130
state or whoever's in charge of this

2208
01:50:43,590 --> 01:50:41,920
stuff really bad things happening you'll

2209
01:50:46,410 --> 01:50:43,600
send those files to the US and we'll

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01:50:50,030 --> 01:50:46,420
coordinate and facilitate all that so

2211
01:51:01,500 --> 01:50:50,040
we're great all our friends are

2212
01:51:03,930 --> 01:51:01,510
Luxembourg we have all these UFO

2213
01:51:05,850 --> 01:51:03,940
sightings they're not USA centric

2214
01:51:08,070 --> 01:51:05,860
certainly other governments would have

2215
01:51:10,260 --> 01:51:08,080
some key information wouldn't they I

2216
01:51:14,270 --> 01:51:10,270
would think so we know there have been

2217
01:51:18,270 --> 01:51:14,280
many horrible things going on in Brazil

2218
01:51:22,910 --> 01:51:18,280
we know that abductions happen around

2219
01:51:25,200 --> 01:51:22,920
the world there's nothing special about

2220
01:51:27,120 --> 01:51:25,210
citizens of the United States of America

2221
01:51:29,190 --> 01:51:27,130
that says we'll will abduct them we

2222
01:51:31,650 --> 01:51:29,200
won't abduct anybody else what the other

2223
01:51:33,720 --> 01:51:31,660
issue is here of course is what is the

2224
01:51:35,430 --> 01:51:33,730
US government doing working in concert

2225
01:51:37,320 --> 01:51:35,440
with the other governments wouldn't

2226
01:51:39,630 --> 01:51:37,330
there be a loose cannon somewhere some

2227
01:51:42,330 --> 01:51:39,640
leader who thinks there's a political

2228
01:51:44,970 --> 01:51:42,340
advantage to him or her saying here's

2229
01:51:54,600 --> 01:51:44,980
the secret of UFOs it's a lot more than

2230
01:51:56,430 --> 01:51:54,610
just releasing a few thousand cases look

2231
01:51:57,420 --> 01:51:56,440
what is happening and try to make some

2232
01:52:00,750 --> 01:51:57,430
sense out of it

2233
01:52:02,730 --> 01:52:00,760
and that makes sense to me now why and

2234
01:52:04,070 --> 01:52:02,740
how they do it I really don't have all

2235
01:52:06,979 --> 01:52:04,080
those answers

2236
01:52:08,569 --> 01:52:06,989
maybe we know something that everybody

2237
01:52:10,459 --> 01:52:08,579
a dozen and we let him in on the secret

2238
01:52:12,589 --> 01:52:10,469
with a promise that anything that like

2239
01:52:14,629 --> 01:52:12,599
you say that could be of a negative or

2240
01:52:17,870 --> 01:52:14,639
alarming nature be funneled to the u.s.

2241
01:52:20,720 --> 01:52:17,880
to be kept down school glue tattooed and

2242
01:52:23,120 --> 01:52:20,730
locked yeah an exchange for that what

2243
01:52:25,879 --> 01:52:23,130
keeps in your foreign aid yeah we want

2244
01:52:30,109 --> 01:52:25,889
kick out a NATO or something yeah I

2245
01:52:33,859 --> 01:52:30,119
don't know bizarre that no other country

2246
01:52:35,750 --> 01:52:33,869
has any records released talking about

2247
01:52:38,180 --> 01:52:35,760
abductions I mean they talk about crop

2248
01:52:40,399 --> 01:52:38,190
circles and lights in the sky and an

2249
01:52:42,739 --> 01:52:40,409
occasional structured craft flyby or

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01:52:46,009 --> 01:52:42,749
something like that and even a rare

2251
01:52:48,560 --> 01:52:46,019
landing event but nothing approaching

2252
01:52:53,660 --> 01:52:48,570
what's coming out in books and

2253
01:52:57,080 --> 01:52:53,670
publications as far as direct alien

2254
01:53:04,430 --> 01:52:57,090
human being contact and involvement or

2255
01:53:08,359 --> 01:53:04,440
any sort of smoking gum technology it's

2256
01:53:12,140 --> 01:53:08,369
my curiosity that's what's frightening

2257
01:53:14,839 --> 01:53:12,150
right well do you think that maybe the

2258
01:53:17,450 --> 01:53:14,849
US government or any government has been

2259
01:53:20,000 --> 01:53:17,460
in touch with them and is working in

2260
01:53:23,569 --> 01:53:20,010
concert to keep this information under a

2261
01:53:27,080 --> 01:53:23,579
sword o it out gradually I sure hope so

2262
01:53:29,709 --> 01:53:27,090
and I don't mean that as a funny state

2263
01:53:34,160 --> 01:53:29,719
and I hope we're working with them I

2264
01:53:38,779 --> 01:53:34,170
hope that there's some concerted effort

2265
01:53:40,520 --> 01:53:38,789
on our part people I think we are

2266
01:53:43,520 --> 01:53:40,530
peaceful respectable people I don't

2267
01:53:45,680 --> 01:53:43,530
don't see us as village idiots of the

2268
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universe idiots away some like the

2269
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character Isis I think we're good people

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I think the human race is a wonderful

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wonderful creation and deserving of our

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place and the galaxy of people when the

2273
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time comes we deserve to join the

2274
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Federation yeah rich Boylan is talking

2275
01:54:17,240 --> 01:54:10,080
with these people

2276
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yeah it's very rare that Chris laughs at

2277
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all he sits there with a stern face he

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never tells jokes about boiling and as

2279
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he is for date prediction I just posted

2280
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that on the para cast about four days

2281
01:54:35,760 --> 01:54:34,270
ago and and oh boy you brought you

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opened up a can of worms with me on that

2283
01:54:40,980 --> 01:54:38,620
one run so one of our four dates has

2284
01:54:45,240 --> 01:54:40,990
gone by I think it was October what 25th

2285
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or something right or 24th 25th

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depending on where on the planet you

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were so okay one down three to go

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I offered at fifty to one odds to bet

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anybody I of course would be taking the

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01:54:59,730 --> 01:54:57,790
negative side that that's something what

2291
01:55:02,520 --> 01:54:59,740
would happen on any of these four days

2292
01:55:04,380 --> 01:55:02,530
and I didn't even get one person even

2293
01:55:06,000 --> 01:55:04,390
mention it let alone take me up on it

2294
01:55:08,280 --> 01:55:06,010
fifty to one those are pretty good odds

2295
01:55:09,990 --> 01:55:08,290
but maybe nobody believes anything this

2296
01:55:11,520 --> 01:55:10,000
dude has to say because we get all these

2297
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predictions about disclosure it's gonna

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happen now it's gonna happen next

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November it's gonna happen with the new

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administration it never seems to happen

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segments with Ron Regehr a longtime UFO

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investigator who's done on the scene

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research he's not just the armchair guy

2419
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he tries to get down and dirty get the

2420
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details another armchair researcher is

2421
02:00:33,240 --> 02:00:31,810
not amongst us it's me actually I do the

2422
02:00:35,460 --> 02:00:33,250
armchair stuff I don't go out in the

2423
02:00:37,380 --> 02:00:35,470
field much but Chris O'Brien is out in

2424
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the field all the time in fact most of

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us want to keep him there I'm Jean

2426
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Steinberg or in the para cast you know

2427
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as Chris did not laugh when I said that

2428
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I did laugh I just held the mic away

2429
02:00:50,460 --> 02:00:48,310
from my head okay well alright lets us

2430
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go back to disclosure and stuff like

2431
02:00:54,830 --> 02:00:51,239
that Ron

2432
02:00:56,600 --> 02:00:54,840
now the other thing is about UFOs as you

2433
02:00:59,509 --> 02:00:56,610
know a lot of people have suggested over

2434
02:01:00,140 --> 02:00:59,519
the years that Ichi is maybe the least

2435
02:01:02,720 --> 02:01:00,150
of it

2436
02:01:06,140 --> 02:01:02,730
that UFO is a part of a number of

2437
02:01:07,970 --> 02:01:06,150
mysteries that may also include Bigfoot

2438
02:01:10,850 --> 02:01:07,980
and all sorts of strange paranormal

2439
02:01:13,220 --> 02:01:10,860
related Encounters it takes us into the

2440
02:01:16,279 --> 02:01:13,230
realms of John keel Jacques Vallee and

2441
02:01:21,560 --> 02:01:16,289
others have you ever gone there just out

2442
02:01:24,470 --> 02:01:21,570
of curiousity and curiosity and I mean

2443
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if I don't have fun doing this I'm going

2444
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to quit when the if the day ever comes

2445
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where I cannot have a good time doing

2446
02:01:38,239 --> 02:01:32,760
this I'm going to quit and let's face it

2447
02:01:47,419 --> 02:01:38,249
Bigfoot and mermaids and undersea cities

2448
02:01:55,459 --> 02:01:47,429
and Atlantis are interesting they're

2449
02:01:58,939 --> 02:01:55,469
intriguing latest for the past three

2450
02:02:02,839 --> 02:01:58,949
years has been wandering with the star

2451
02:02:06,859 --> 02:02:02,849
people really get in their action with

2452
02:02:21,040 --> 02:02:06,869
the Pueblo and ancient Puebloans now we

2453
02:02:24,229 --> 02:02:21,050
might call the Zuni and Hopi maybe still

2454
02:02:27,410 --> 02:02:24,239
with clifford mahooty who was a Zuni

2455
02:02:29,839 --> 02:02:27,420
elder and a friend of mine now and Andy

2456
02:02:32,509 --> 02:02:29,849
I think he did pretty much gene he did

2457
02:02:35,029 --> 02:02:32,519
he did confirm that that their tradition

2458
02:02:38,060 --> 02:02:35,039
says that they it may even have ongoing

2459
02:02:40,759 --> 02:02:38,070
interaction with non-human intelligences

2460
02:02:43,160 --> 02:02:40,769
but in terms of the past and their star

2461
02:02:43,819 --> 02:02:43,170
star knowledge and their their ancient

2462
02:02:46,669 --> 02:02:43,829
traditions

2463
02:02:48,560 --> 02:02:46,679
oh they absolutely he said they

2464
02:02:51,830 --> 02:02:48,570
absolutely believe that in fact he cut

2465
02:02:54,739 --> 02:02:51,840
around that they still do and it's

2466
02:02:56,810 --> 02:02:54,749
recorded there's written documentation

2467
02:02:58,970 --> 02:02:56,820
of this it's called their petroglyphs

2468
02:03:02,410 --> 02:02:58,980
and pictographs and that's what I've

2469
02:03:05,300 --> 02:03:02,420
been working on documenting

2470
02:03:07,790 --> 02:03:05,310
Chris might be venturing up this way one

2471
02:03:09,380 --> 02:03:07,800
of these days so I'm gonna take him out

2472
02:03:12,140 --> 02:03:09,390
the coal Canyon is showing the

2473
02:03:13,910 --> 02:03:12,150
petroglyph of a naval the other one I

2474
02:03:14,630 --> 02:03:13,920
sent you a picture of right right oh

2475
02:03:18,980 --> 02:03:14,640
it's fabulous

2476
02:03:23,000 --> 02:03:18,990
I mean it's unmistakable on picture and

2477
02:03:26,080 --> 02:03:23,010
say my goodness must follow their their

2478
02:03:29,120 --> 02:03:26,090
god of the underworld and their legends

2479
02:03:30,710 --> 02:03:29,130
very very briefly very David's done a

2480
02:03:34,580 --> 02:03:30,720
tremendous amount of work if you have an

2481
02:03:38,120 --> 02:03:34,590
atom on terra cast you must and for

2482
02:03:40,850 --> 02:03:38,130
example the during their sojourn between

2483
02:03:42,800 --> 02:03:40,860
worlds and according to hope your

2484
02:03:45,530 --> 02:03:42,810
ancient Pueblo and I think hoping Zuni

2485
02:03:49,090 --> 02:03:45,540
are all share the same background maybe

2486
02:03:51,410 --> 02:03:49,100
we all do the earth has been destroyed

2487
02:03:55,640 --> 02:03:51,420
several times we're now in the fourth

2488
02:03:58,130 --> 02:03:55,650
world between worlds God always sings

2489
02:04:02,690 --> 02:03:58,140
every culture God saves a certain group

2490
02:04:06,020 --> 02:04:02,700
of good people and in the tsunami

2491
02:04:07,640 --> 02:04:06,030
culture that was no different God sent

2492
02:04:10,040 --> 02:04:07,650
them underground where they were cared

2493
02:04:13,580 --> 02:04:10,050
for by their ant friends

2494
02:04:14,930 --> 02:04:13,590
kopi Frant is on the Hopi word for

2495
02:04:16,670 --> 02:04:14,940
friend it's locky

2496
02:04:30,830 --> 02:04:16,680
okay so basically we're talking about

2497
02:04:32,660 --> 02:04:30,840
the insectoid legends again maybe

2498
02:04:38,990 --> 02:04:32,670
stumbled onto something from another

2499
02:04:45,050 --> 02:04:39,000
direction all seem to be pointing in the

2500
02:04:50,170 --> 02:04:45,060
same direction that's right here where I

2501
02:04:54,740 --> 02:04:50,180
live that's where you live New Mexico

2502
02:04:57,410 --> 02:04:54,750
Colorado and Utah that is even for these

2503
02:05:00,080 --> 02:04:57,420
people now I'm wired again into this

2504
02:05:03,680 --> 02:05:00,090
expanding it more so do we have to

2505
02:05:06,230 --> 02:05:03,690
assume a CT and not some intrinsic race

2506
02:05:08,270 --> 02:05:06,240
like the crypto terrestrials from the

2507
02:05:10,940 --> 02:05:08,280
late Mac Tony's give me some evidence

2508
02:05:13,370 --> 02:05:10,950
and I'll go with it I try not to make

2509
02:05:15,230 --> 02:05:13,380
assumptions I try to work with evidence

2510
02:05:19,070 --> 02:05:15,240
okay well you don't have evidence here

2511
02:05:26,330 --> 02:05:19,080
of where they come from we only know

2512
02:05:28,010 --> 02:05:26,340
they are here now but they weren't on

2513
02:05:30,860 --> 02:05:28,020
the other planets they may have someone

2514
02:05:33,860 --> 02:05:30,870
come here and say hey we're from Zeta

2515
02:05:36,410 --> 02:05:33,870
Reticuli were from the skies we're from

2516
02:05:39,130 --> 02:05:36,420
the heavens whatever they may say that

2517
02:05:56,660 --> 02:05:39,140
applies or is understandable to the

2518
02:06:00,320 --> 02:05:56,670
indigenous species at the time okay and

2519
02:06:24,740 --> 02:06:00,330
people can draw their conclusions it

2520
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[Music]

2521
02:06:40,790 --> 02:06:38,750
their written language since that

2522
02:06:44,060 --> 02:06:40,800
happened and the lives of the people who

2523
02:06:46,940 --> 02:06:44,070
recorded them and so we have one of

2524
02:06:48,800 --> 02:06:46,950
those records underneath one of them

2525
02:06:51,580 --> 02:06:48,810
bridges at natural bridges national

2526
02:06:57,310 --> 02:06:51,590
national monuments in southeastern Utah

2527
02:06:59,840 --> 02:06:57,320
and it shows a discoid old object

2528
02:07:02,870 --> 02:06:59,850
surrounded by dots which indicate

2529
02:07:06,050 --> 02:07:02,880
something of the Gods something revered

2530
02:07:11,290 --> 02:07:06,060
something holy that is either coming up

2531
02:07:15,220 --> 02:07:11,300
or moving down this object is also

2532
02:07:17,040 --> 02:07:15,230
present with what you might call

2533
02:07:21,000 --> 02:07:17,050
chupacabras

2534
02:07:24,930 --> 02:07:21,010
it's also present with other beings that

2535
02:07:29,070 --> 02:07:24,940
are there so we have this captain looks

2536
02:07:34,860 --> 02:07:29,080
remarkably like a modern UFO that's of

2537
02:07:38,160 --> 02:07:34,870
the gods we have the legends of my cell

2538
02:07:43,050 --> 02:07:38,170
the bigfoot of god and we have this

2539
02:07:46,350 --> 02:07:43,060
pictograph all over I can take you or

2540
02:07:48,060 --> 02:07:46,360
anyone who's interested within a couple

2541
02:07:50,820 --> 02:07:48,070
hours and show you a couple of panels

2542
02:07:51,330 --> 02:07:50,830
that show missile the god with the big

2543
02:07:54,810 --> 02:07:51,340
feet

2544
02:08:00,530 --> 02:07:54,820
I thank you are all good and so we have

2545
02:08:05,730 --> 02:08:00,540
these fictions unlock let repeat the

2546
02:08:07,590 --> 02:08:05,740
legends of the current people so they've

2547
02:08:08,670 --> 02:08:07,600
been keeping these legends for over a

2548
02:08:10,710 --> 02:08:08,680
thousand years

2549
02:08:13,320 --> 02:08:10,720
why well maybe they just like to tell

2550
02:08:15,690 --> 02:08:13,330
stories but most people aren't aware of

2551
02:08:17,430 --> 02:08:15,700
how the legends are continued it's an

2552
02:08:18,810 --> 02:08:17,440
oral tradition I'll tell you what we'll

2553
02:08:20,850 --> 02:08:18,820
get into the legends and the oral

2554
02:08:22,770 --> 02:08:20,860
traditions and all that stuff in the

2555
02:08:25,380 --> 02:08:22,780
next segment we have Ron Regehr a

2556
02:08:27,960 --> 02:08:25,390
longtime UFO researcher works with MUFON

2557
02:08:30,120 --> 02:08:27,970
we have Chris O'Brien a longtime field

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investigator and author and co-host of

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the show I'm gene Steinberg you're in

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[Music]

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is there a secret UFO agenda to strange

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creatures from the darkest corners of

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the mind roam the earth is there

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evidence for mind control time travel or

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devious government conspiracies find out

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2667
02:13:25,580 --> 02:13:22,900
I'm gene Steinberg you're in the

2668
02:13:28,560 --> 02:13:25,590
forecast okay so granted something

2669
02:13:31,020 --> 02:13:28,570
inspired them to make these petroglyphs

2670
02:13:34,290 --> 02:13:31,030
something inspired them to tell the

2671
02:13:35,940 --> 02:13:34,300
tales the oral traditions that doesn't

2672
02:13:38,460 --> 02:13:35,950
tell us where they're from Annalee says

2673
02:13:41,010 --> 02:13:38,470
they are here they were here then and

2674
02:13:44,580 --> 02:13:41,020
they anticipate they're coming back we

2675
02:13:47,880 --> 02:13:44,590
have the dobro tribe in Africa that

2676
02:13:49,950 --> 02:13:47,890
pointed out to they reticular long

2677
02:13:51,720 --> 02:13:49,960
before people who was there and so

2678
02:13:53,190 --> 02:13:51,730
that's where we're from that's where the

2679
02:13:55,740 --> 02:13:53,200
gods came from when they brought us here

2680
02:13:57,870 --> 02:13:55,750
they they gave they gave us a knowledge

2681
02:13:59,180 --> 02:13:57,880
of cirrus sea way before we had

2682
02:14:01,980 --> 02:13:59,190
telescopes of the ability to

2683
02:14:09,810 --> 02:14:01,990
scientifically ascertain the existence

2684
02:14:11,730 --> 02:14:09,820
of Cirrus II I will not take this as my

2685
02:14:16,070 --> 02:14:11,740
own as he's done some important work on

2686
02:14:19,980 --> 02:14:16,080
this look at the layout of the villages

2687
02:14:23,130 --> 02:14:19,990
the ranging all the way from New Mexico

2688
02:14:25,080 --> 02:14:23,140
into California we find out that there

2689
02:14:27,510 --> 02:14:25,090
is a mirror image of the heavens

2690
02:14:32,480 --> 02:14:27,520
replicated in the position of those

2691
02:14:36,300 --> 02:14:32,490
villages yeah most specifically Orion

2692
02:14:40,680 --> 02:14:36,310
our image of Orion terrestrially arrayed

2693
02:14:42,720 --> 02:14:40,690
in the sacred sites and locations of

2694
02:14:44,280 --> 02:14:42,730
Pablos and villages okay but you know

2695
02:14:47,100 --> 02:14:44,290
what let me just ask the obvious

2696
02:14:49,710 --> 02:14:47,110
question here the devil's advocate

2697
02:14:53,070 --> 02:14:49,720
question ok so strange creatures strange

2698
02:14:55,650 --> 02:14:53,080
advanced beings come here and they say

2699
02:14:58,110 --> 02:14:55,660
we're from the skies we're from Zeta

2700
02:15:00,720 --> 02:14:58,120
Reticuli whatever why do you believe

2701
02:15:03,780 --> 02:15:00,730
them because they seem

2702
02:15:06,870 --> 02:15:03,790
parallel almost every other secret

2703
02:15:09,690 --> 02:15:06,880
people's stories because they are a

2704
02:15:12,540 --> 02:15:09,700
moving factor in the lives of these

2705
02:15:14,790 --> 02:15:12,550
people that's what I think something

2706
02:15:18,450 --> 02:15:14,800
people are more familiar with that would

2707
02:15:20,400 --> 02:15:18,460
be Christianity in our culture most

2708
02:15:24,630 --> 02:15:20,410
people are familiar with Christianity in

2709
02:15:27,300 --> 02:15:24,640
your audience and well if you get right

2710
02:15:29,190 --> 02:15:27,310
down to it other than the good stories

2711
02:15:35,070 --> 02:15:29,200
we find out that the Twelve Apostles

2712
02:15:38,729 --> 02:15:35,080
lived as if everything they heard was

2713
02:15:42,090 --> 02:15:38,739
true they died as if everything they

2714
02:15:44,670 --> 02:15:42,100
heard was true they died and lived lived

2715
02:15:47,160 --> 02:15:44,680
and died believing what they had been

2716
02:15:50,280 --> 02:15:47,170
taught by the person they believed to be

2717
02:15:52,320 --> 02:15:50,290
God with such strong feelings that

2718
02:15:55,020 --> 02:15:52,330
strong emotions and such strong belief

2719
02:15:57,900 --> 02:15:55,030
that this was carried on for 2,000 years

2720
02:16:00,600 --> 02:15:57,910
we can understand that in Christianity

2721
02:16:02,580 --> 02:16:00,610
when we turn our backs when it's our red

2722
02:16:04,920 --> 02:16:02,590
brothers you know what I'm not even

2723
02:16:07,950 --> 02:16:04,930
disputing the fact that these things

2724
02:16:09,720 --> 02:16:07,960
happen exactly is depicted that they did

2725
02:16:12,420 --> 02:16:09,730
meet these higher beings they came down

2726
02:16:14,610 --> 02:16:12,430
in what appears to be advanced aircraft

2727
02:16:20,220 --> 02:16:14,620
that doesn't tell us where they're from

2728
02:16:21,630 --> 02:16:20,230
it only tells us that they exist well

2729
02:16:24,479 --> 02:16:21,640
you know that's the question we want to

2730
02:16:27,540 --> 02:16:24,489
say is ET is an interdimensional is it

2731
02:16:29,520 --> 02:16:27,550
Time Traveller's is it crypto

2732
02:16:30,600 --> 02:16:29,530
terrestrial something intrinsic to the

2733
02:16:32,400 --> 02:16:30,610
earth you know you say where's the

2734
02:16:35,190 --> 02:16:32,410
evidence of any of it well the evidence

2735
02:16:37,950 --> 02:16:35,200
we have is that something strange is

2736
02:16:41,040 --> 02:16:37,960
going on here that there have been

2737
02:16:44,070 --> 02:16:41,050
interactions between us and them that

2738
02:16:46,680 --> 02:16:44,080
they say certain things about who they

2739
02:16:48,660 --> 02:16:46,690
are and what their purpose is here but

2740
02:17:02,070 --> 02:16:48,670
that doesn't mean we necessarily have to

2741
02:17:04,980 --> 02:17:02,080
believe them but you know say you're

2742
02:17:07,980 --> 02:17:04,990
visiting a primitive race you're the guy

2743
02:17:10,470 --> 02:17:07,990
from Zeta Reticuli and you have of

2744
02:17:13,470 --> 02:17:10,480
course the no interference prime

2745
02:17:14,060 --> 02:17:13,480
directive it's part of your edict that's

2746
02:17:15,710 --> 02:17:14,070
part of

2747
02:17:17,720 --> 02:17:15,720
or way of doing things so you have to

2748
02:17:20,541 --> 02:17:17,730
come to earth and you want to look about

2749
02:17:22,490 --> 02:17:20,551
those primitive humans that are coming

2750
02:17:25,130 --> 02:17:22,500
along pretty good and maybe we'll have

2751
02:17:27,110 --> 02:17:25,140
to interact with them on occasion well

2752
02:17:29,630 --> 02:17:27,120
then there are daughters right okay

2753
02:17:31,880 --> 02:17:29,640
maybe we did maybe yes maybe there has

2754
02:17:33,920 --> 02:17:31,890
been intermingling between us and them

2755
02:17:37,520 --> 02:17:33,930
either way if not if they're not

2756
02:17:40,130 --> 02:17:37,530
interfering with us if they are asked

2757
02:17:42,700 --> 02:17:40,140
who they are they might give a cover

2758
02:17:53,810 --> 02:17:42,710
story might they might tell the truth

2759
02:17:56,350 --> 02:17:53,820
well in terms of the evidence we have

2760
02:17:59,090 --> 02:17:56,360
[Music]

2761
02:18:01,730 --> 02:17:59,100
yes workings or intelligence use the

2762
02:18:03,740 --> 02:18:01,740
tools that we have to determine what's

2763
02:18:13,190 --> 02:18:03,750
going on and that's what what all

2764
02:18:16,580 --> 02:18:13,200
research is about and that's what pretty

2765
02:18:21,470 --> 02:18:16,590
steady ground it's when we start making

2766
02:18:23,330 --> 02:18:21,480
things up we get shaky conditions

2767
02:18:25,960 --> 02:18:23,340
there's all sorts of traditions in the

2768
02:18:28,520 --> 02:18:25,970
Native American lore that talk about

2769
02:18:30,920 --> 02:18:28,530
non-human intelligences that aren't from

2770
02:18:33,740 --> 02:18:30,930
other star systems I mean just the

2771
02:18:36,550 --> 02:18:33,750
elemental legends of elementals and

2772
02:18:39,500 --> 02:18:36,560
diminutive people's were evidence of

2773
02:18:41,660 --> 02:18:39,510
like we mentioned before the insectoid

2774
02:18:43,940 --> 02:18:41,670
ant people that live underground they do

2775
02:18:45,680 --> 02:18:43,950
refer gene to to other types of

2776
02:18:48,320 --> 02:18:45,690
non-human intelligences that are that

2777
02:18:50,541 --> 02:18:48,330
are very terrestrial but it's the star

2778
02:18:53,990 --> 02:18:50,551
knowledge information that I think

2779
02:18:56,390 --> 02:18:54,000
intrigues most people because it ties in

2780
02:18:58,610 --> 02:18:56,400
with the UFO phenomenon and and this is

2781
02:19:01,100 --> 02:18:58,620
a very you know this is a real popular

2782
02:19:04,190 --> 02:19:01,110
subject right now in the culture and

2783
02:19:13,940 --> 02:19:04,200
it's coming more and more to potential

2784
02:19:16,370 --> 02:19:13,950
head 21st 2012 has become in many people

2785
02:19:19,450 --> 02:19:16,380
eyes more significant in the past few

2786
02:19:22,020 --> 02:19:19,460
years then let's say 25 years ago I

2787
02:19:24,870 --> 02:19:22,030
would say 25 years ago

2788
02:19:28,110 --> 02:19:24,880
all three of us were here most of your

2789
02:19:31,140 --> 02:19:28,120
audience was around and if anybody said

2790
02:19:33,890 --> 02:19:31,150
what's going to happen in December 2012

2791
02:19:37,740 --> 02:19:33,900
people say a Santa Claus I don't know

2792
02:19:40,530 --> 02:19:37,750
but now it's reached a point where

2793
02:19:44,430 --> 02:19:40,540
people seem to have an understanding

2794
02:19:47,631 --> 02:19:44,440
that possibly something of significance

2795
02:19:49,740 --> 02:19:47,641
will happen it's being prepared for

2796
02:19:52,110 --> 02:19:49,750
disclosure and the reason I'm going to

2797
02:19:54,450 --> 02:19:52,120
bring that up again is let's go back to

2798
02:19:56,910 --> 02:19:54,460
the possibility that UFOs are a physical

2799
02:19:58,860 --> 02:19:56,920
spacecraft from elsewhere they've been

2800
02:20:01,051 --> 02:19:58,870
around here for maybe thousands of years

2801
02:20:03,961 --> 02:20:01,061
watching us maybe there are different

2802
02:20:07,711 --> 02:20:03,971
races that have come and gone now over

2803
02:20:09,600 --> 02:20:07,721
the past decade or two we become more

2804
02:20:12,270 --> 02:20:09,610
and more accustomed to accepting the

2805
02:20:14,310 --> 02:20:12,280
possibility of life out there there is

2806
02:20:17,011 --> 02:20:14,320
water on the moon there is water on Mars

2807
02:20:18,900 --> 02:20:17,021
we have earth-like planets we have the

2808
02:20:21,810 --> 02:20:18,910
Goldilocks planet that we've heard at

2809
02:20:26,310 --> 02:20:21,820
recently the Goldilocks planet not too

2810
02:20:29,070 --> 02:20:26,320
hot not too cold perfect for our form of

2811
02:20:33,001 --> 02:20:29,080
life the so-called m-class planet is

2812
02:20:34,470 --> 02:20:33,011
that part of a gradual disclosure rather

2813
02:20:37,140 --> 02:20:34,480
than having it happen one day with the

2814
02:20:39,660 --> 02:20:37,150
President or the head of the UN General

2815
02:20:41,881 --> 02:20:39,670
Assembly says hey folks this is it we've

2816
02:20:44,881 --> 02:20:41,891
got to announce what's going on they may

2817
02:20:47,070 --> 02:20:44,891
be so gradually that out we wake up one

2818
02:20:49,350 --> 02:20:47,080
day and we know what's going on but took

2819
02:20:51,390 --> 02:20:49,360
20 years to get there maybe that's what

2820
02:20:59,870 --> 02:20:51,400
the whole 2012 thing is what do you

2821
02:21:03,120 --> 02:20:59,880
think well the year of disclosure you

2822
02:21:06,180 --> 02:21:03,130
and your audience right now and that is

2823
02:21:30,631 --> 02:21:06,190
that if that scenario you were

2824
02:21:32,671 --> 02:21:30,641
discussing about is yeah but even if

2825
02:21:35,219 --> 02:21:32,681
she's elected in 2012 she doesn't take

2826
02:21:37,800 --> 02:21:35,229
office till 2013

2827
02:21:41,910 --> 02:21:37,810
watching a disclosure two weeks will be

2828
02:21:45,239 --> 02:21:41,920
because the guides in controls the

2829
02:21:46,529 --> 02:21:45,249
universal wallet disclosed and I know

2830
02:21:48,929 --> 02:21:46,539
that's getting a little bit on the

2831
02:21:50,969 --> 02:21:48,939
spooky woowoo far-out land that's my

2832
02:21:55,889 --> 02:21:50,979
belief that's not based on any evidence

2833
02:21:58,200 --> 02:21:55,899
other than a belief system the higher

2834
02:22:03,090 --> 02:21:58,210
agenda is going to be the agents of

2835
02:22:05,160 --> 02:22:03,100
disclosure not us lowly humans the agent

2836
02:22:11,189 --> 02:22:05,170
of disclosure that we've been seeing

2837
02:22:12,660 --> 02:22:11,199
made manifest through human race I'll

2838
02:22:15,269 --> 02:22:12,670
tell you what we have to get into more

2839
02:22:17,429 --> 02:22:15,279
of this as we progress towards the final

2840
02:22:20,489 --> 02:22:17,439
session the final segment of this week's

2841
02:22:22,739 --> 02:22:20,499
episode with Ron Regehr a longtime UFO

2842
02:22:24,989 --> 02:22:22,749
researcher he's been added for 50 years

2843
02:22:26,939 --> 02:22:24,999
longer than many of our listeners have

2844
02:22:29,609 --> 02:22:26,949
been on this planet in any particular

2845
02:22:32,819 --> 02:22:29,619
capacity our co-host is Chris O'Brien

2846
02:22:36,430 --> 02:22:32,829
I'm gene Steinberg you're in the para

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2899
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2903
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2904
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2905
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2907
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2911
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2955
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2956
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know what's going to happen next

2957
02:27:00,540 --> 02:26:58,300
[Applause]

2958
02:27:03,120 --> 02:27:00,550
[Music]

2959
02:27:05,370 --> 02:27:03,130
he emphasizes this ladies and gentlemen

2960
02:27:08,849 --> 02:27:05,380
you're in the para cast because of the

2961
02:27:10,950 --> 02:27:08,859
fact that this is the last 10 11 minutes

2962
02:27:13,440 --> 02:27:10,960
of the episode with Ron Regehr a

2963
02:27:15,510 --> 02:27:13,450
longtime UFO researcher I'm Jean

2964
02:27:17,490 --> 02:27:15,520
Steinberg Chris O'Brien's the co-host

2965
02:27:18,990 --> 02:27:17,500
you are in the para cast if you have

2966
02:27:21,750 --> 02:27:19,000
more to say about what you hear on this

2967
02:27:25,139 --> 02:27:21,760
episode send it to news at the para cast

2968
02:27:27,660 --> 02:27:25,149
com news at the para cast com

2969
02:27:28,260 --> 02:27:27,670
so basically if it's meant to be then

2970
02:27:33,330 --> 02:27:28,270
Ron

2971
02:27:36,540 --> 02:27:33,340
disclosure will happen there's nothing

2972
02:27:39,570 --> 02:27:36,550
that can force it to happen and nothing

2973
02:27:42,120 --> 02:27:39,580
that can stop it it's inevitable okay

2974
02:27:44,040 --> 02:27:42,130
but let's look at this then why bother

2975
02:27:46,260 --> 02:27:44,050
doing research if it's gonna happen

2976
02:27:48,719 --> 02:27:46,270
anyway why bother looking into this

2977
02:27:51,330 --> 02:27:48,729
thing why do you persevere why does

2978
02:27:55,559 --> 02:27:51,340
Chris O'Brien persevere why am i talking

2979
02:28:00,389 --> 02:27:55,569
about it yeah it's fun because we are

2980
02:28:05,520 --> 02:28:00,399
the agents the facilitators that enable

2981
02:28:09,360 --> 02:28:05,530
these things to happen we move it

2982
02:28:13,930 --> 02:28:09,370
forward good things happen because good

2983
02:28:16,780 --> 02:28:13,940
people are here making them happen

2984
02:28:19,280 --> 02:28:16,790
[Music]

2985
02:28:22,251 --> 02:28:19,290
if you're saying that you're saying that

2986
02:28:26,060 --> 02:28:22,261
run what about the desires and needs of

2987
02:28:33,650 --> 02:28:26,070
them Avicii of the pilots of the UFOs

2988
02:28:36,621 --> 02:28:33,660
our visitors don't they control that and

2989
02:28:38,180 --> 02:28:36,631
we have to look at why why why haven't

2990
02:28:42,430 --> 02:28:38,190
these things happen I think it's because

2991
02:28:44,990 --> 02:28:42,440
it's not time yet things are not right I

2992
02:28:47,001 --> 02:28:45,000
guess the question is who is determining

2993
02:28:51,530 --> 02:28:47,011
that is our government determining that

2994
02:28:54,020 --> 02:28:51,540
the visitors the fates I think it's more

2995
02:29:00,440 --> 02:28:54,030
the fates if you want to use that term

2996
02:29:02,390 --> 02:29:00,450
and a little bit beyond the facts so we

2997
02:29:03,980 --> 02:29:02,400
started entering into speculation and

2998
02:29:06,921 --> 02:29:03,990
theory and things like that and it

2999
02:29:10,850 --> 02:29:06,931
becomes almost a religious argument all

3000
02:29:13,371 --> 02:29:10,860
acknowledge that and I can impose my

3001
02:29:15,650 --> 02:29:13,381
religious beliefs on someone and I

3002
02:29:20,841 --> 02:29:15,660
choose not to do that but I think in the

3003
02:29:22,820 --> 02:29:20,851
grander scheme of things both almost

3004
02:29:25,940 --> 02:29:22,830
every indigenous culture and especially

3005
02:29:27,201 --> 02:29:25,950
the ones and that I'm familiar with here

3006
02:29:29,751 --> 02:29:27,211
in the southwest I think Chris will

3007
02:29:31,671 --> 02:29:29,761
confirm that when the gods want

3008
02:29:34,041 --> 02:29:31,681
something to happen it will happen and

3009
02:29:39,201 --> 02:29:34,051
won't happen until the gods wanted to

3010
02:29:41,240 --> 02:29:39,211
happen and it's our job to keep ready to

3011
02:29:43,551 --> 02:29:41,250
see it and to be able to open our eyes

3012
02:29:45,350 --> 02:29:43,561
to see it when it does happen is that

3013
02:29:48,320 --> 02:29:45,360
the function of people like you that

3014
02:29:50,810 --> 02:29:48,330
you're doing all this research into UFO

3015
02:29:57,501 --> 02:29:50,820
cases because you gotta be ready when

3016
02:30:01,451 --> 02:29:57,511
the truth is out there so we can accept

3017
02:30:05,301 --> 02:30:01,461
it I mean look at some of these truths

3018
02:30:08,451 --> 02:30:05,311
it's true that the buildings the

3019
02:30:11,291 --> 02:30:08,461
structures at Chaco Canyon could not

3020
02:30:13,841 --> 02:30:11,301
have been laid out by a primitive people

3021
02:30:16,791 --> 02:30:13,851
there's no question about it

3022
02:30:18,201 --> 02:30:16,801
though the alignments of the precision

3023
02:30:19,280 --> 02:30:18,211
with which they are aligned their

3024
02:30:22,040 --> 02:30:19,290
nervous

3025
02:30:25,849 --> 02:30:22,050
they're positioning no questions they

3026
02:30:28,429 --> 02:30:25,859
there was some intervention by some

3027
02:30:31,490 --> 02:30:28,439
superior technology or force no question

3028
02:30:33,440 --> 02:30:31,500
about the word Cabana so Bell and Gary

3029
02:30:35,570 --> 02:30:33,450
David I think will back that up but one

3030
02:30:39,290 --> 02:30:35,580
thing we're missing here in terms of

3031
02:30:41,900 --> 02:30:39,300
what role do does humanity have to play

3032
02:30:43,790 --> 02:30:41,910
in the words of the Pueblo peoples at

3033
02:30:45,769 --> 02:30:43,800
the end of this fourth world and one of

3034
02:30:48,440 --> 02:30:45,779
the things that the elders I think make

3035
02:30:50,870 --> 02:30:48,450
very loud and clear is a lot of what's

3036
02:30:53,120 --> 02:30:50,880
coming down right now in the world a lot

3037
02:30:56,300 --> 02:30:53,130
of the events that are soon to be

3038
02:30:59,059 --> 02:30:56,310
occurring are due to humanity losing its

3039
02:31:01,370 --> 02:30:59,069
Center and not operating from a state of

3040
02:31:05,210 --> 02:31:01,380
grace or not operating from from a state

3041
02:31:07,940 --> 02:31:05,220
of an altruistic cultural sense we're

3042
02:31:10,880 --> 02:31:07,950
not keeping our traditions alive degra

3043
02:31:14,630 --> 02:31:10,890
dating the environment we're seeing a

3044
02:31:16,730 --> 02:31:14,640
breakdown of the family and of morality

3045
02:31:18,980 --> 02:31:16,740
and these are the types of things that

3046
02:31:22,639 --> 02:31:18,990
the elders say that the sky people or

3047
02:31:25,460 --> 02:31:22,649
their Kachinas warn them against that

3048
02:31:26,870 --> 02:31:25,470
this this breakdown then things are

3049
02:31:28,910 --> 02:31:26,880
really gonna start to happen and it's

3050
02:31:33,830 --> 02:31:28,920
not necessarily good things especially

3051
02:31:36,469 --> 02:31:33,840
in this end it's sort of like the old

3052
02:31:39,440 --> 02:31:36,479
argument in theology school was the

3053
02:31:41,300 --> 02:31:39,450
crucifixion of Christ good or bad well

3054
02:31:42,760 --> 02:31:41,310
without the crucifixion it could have

3055
02:31:46,820 --> 02:31:42,770
been no resurrection therefore

3056
02:31:50,120 --> 02:31:46,830
Christianity would be a hollow shell so

3057
02:31:51,650 --> 02:31:50,130
I mean the coming of the star people and

3058
02:31:54,740 --> 02:31:51,660
the end of the world as we know it's

3059
02:31:58,130 --> 02:31:54,750
good or bad it's good it might be bad

3060
02:32:01,130 --> 02:31:58,140
for individuals it might be horrible for

3061
02:32:02,769 --> 02:32:01,140
masses of the population but the

3062
02:32:07,420 --> 02:32:02,779
ultimate good is there will be a

3063
02:32:12,711 --> 02:32:11,470
ever to be overcome

3064
02:32:14,240 --> 02:32:12,721
[Music]

3065
02:32:16,341 --> 02:32:14,250
there's got to be a time and a place to

3066
02:32:21,110 --> 02:32:16,351
do that yeah just a squirt of chlorine

3067
02:32:22,881 --> 02:32:21,120
yeah it's our job as researchers to

3068
02:32:24,621 --> 02:32:22,891
continue the quest

3069
02:32:26,780 --> 02:32:24,631
to find out the truth and part of that

3070
02:32:31,640 --> 02:32:26,790
truth may be very disconcerting

3071
02:32:34,280 --> 02:32:31,650
it may be that 2012 will be a great

3072
02:32:36,560 --> 02:32:34,290
spiritual awakening it may be a great

3073
02:32:40,280 --> 02:32:36,570
spiritual destruction and it may be

3074
02:32:42,711 --> 02:32:40,290
physical as well as spiritual and when

3075
02:32:48,131 --> 02:32:42,721
we look at when we look at the culture

3076
02:32:51,621 --> 02:32:48,141
we look at the people that have

3077
02:32:55,011 --> 02:32:51,631
maintained these traditions for

3078
02:32:59,240 --> 02:32:55,021
thousands of years the elders of Hopi

3079
02:33:02,001 --> 02:32:59,250
Zuni and other pueblos and they're all

3080
02:33:04,850 --> 02:33:02,011
talking the same talk they're walking

3081
02:33:06,711 --> 02:33:04,860
the same walk yeah and they're telling

3082
02:33:09,650 --> 02:33:06,721
us the things that they've been telling

3083
02:33:11,990 --> 02:33:09,660
us since the beginning of time every

3084
02:33:14,091 --> 02:33:12,000
great religious teacher has told us the

3085
02:33:18,230 --> 02:33:14,101
same things over and over and we choose

3086
02:33:21,230 --> 02:33:18,240
not to listen and that may be what 2012

3087
02:33:24,470 --> 02:33:21,240
is all about and that's the scary part

3088
02:33:26,390 --> 02:33:24,480
in a joyous part and it's I don't know

3089
02:33:28,490 --> 02:33:26,400
how else to face it maybe the worst

3090
02:33:31,761 --> 02:33:28,500
thing that could happen to some and the

3091
02:33:34,270 --> 02:33:31,771
greatest thing to all of humanity okay

3092
02:33:36,261 --> 02:33:34,280
we only have a few moments left run

3093
02:33:38,091 --> 02:33:36,271
where do you go from here what do you

3094
02:33:40,761 --> 02:33:38,101
plan to be doing in your research in the

3095
02:33:45,011 --> 02:33:40,771
months to come to at least keep up your

3096
02:33:48,730 --> 02:33:45,021
discovery of the great mystery of UFOs

3097
02:33:50,801 --> 02:33:48,740
searching the petroglyphs and pictograph

3098
02:33:53,240 --> 02:33:50,811
book about it

3099
02:33:57,740 --> 02:33:53,250
2012 the star people return is the

3100
02:34:00,980 --> 02:33:57,750
working title I'm continuing my work

3101
02:34:03,171 --> 02:34:00,990
with MUFON we're rewriting the field

3102
02:34:07,551 --> 02:34:03,181
investigators manual to make that more

3103
02:34:09,530 --> 02:34:07,561
up-to-date more relative the overriding

3104
02:34:12,860 --> 02:34:09,540
consideration is to have it available

3105
02:34:15,621 --> 02:34:12,870
electronically online so we can readily

3106
02:34:20,261 --> 02:34:15,631
update it that'll be happening early

3107
02:34:23,970 --> 02:34:20,271
next year and getting out the word that

3108
02:34:28,921 --> 02:34:26,460
we're here for a purpose and that's work

3109
02:34:32,100 --> 02:34:28,931
together I want us to live in harmony

3110
02:34:34,110 --> 02:34:32,110
and wait there for the worst and be the

3111
02:34:36,511 --> 02:34:34,120
best of Candice's I guess the bottom

3112
02:34:39,900 --> 02:34:36,521
line message on all this but how do you

3113
02:34:41,301 --> 02:34:39,910
work in the UFO field cesspool with so

3114
02:34:45,570 --> 02:34:41,311
many different interests in so many

3115
02:34:48,000 --> 02:34:45,580
competing factions there's a lot of good

3116
02:34:52,051 --> 02:34:48,010
people here there's a lot of good people

3117
02:34:52,820 --> 02:34:52,061
and I have known these these are good

3118
02:34:55,160 --> 02:34:52,830
people

3119
02:35:10,890 --> 02:34:55,170
there's there's some wonderful

3120
02:35:14,070 --> 02:35:10,900
researchers and I'm not a wonderful look

3121
02:35:16,860 --> 02:35:14,080
at the chunks floating in the top of the

3122
02:35:18,330 --> 02:35:16,870
pool I prefer to go down to the depths

3123
02:35:25,830 --> 02:35:18,340
of the pool where the water is clean and

3124
02:35:27,870 --> 02:35:25,840
fresh so we don't have to worry about

3125
02:35:30,150 --> 02:35:27,880
the mud slingers you know that was a

3126
02:35:32,780 --> 02:35:30,160
good analogy Rana a kind and steal that

3127
02:35:37,051 --> 02:35:35,370
before we go on because if you don't

3128
02:35:41,250 --> 02:35:37,061
we're gonna have some serious problems

3129
02:35:44,070 --> 02:35:41,260
chunks tend to float speaking of chunks

3130
02:35:45,930 --> 02:35:44,080
where can we find your information for

3131
02:35:47,610 --> 02:35:45,940
those who want to learn more about the

3132
02:35:49,740 --> 02:35:47,620
things you're working on where can they

3133
02:35:56,490 --> 02:35:49,750
get ahold of you contact you check y'all

3134
02:35:59,520 --> 02:35:56,500
online I don't do that I will make a

3135
02:36:01,470 --> 02:35:59,530
commitment within the next six months to

3136
02:36:03,261 --> 02:36:01,480
develop a web page but in the meantime

3137
02:36:09,610 --> 02:36:03,271
you can reach me

3138
02:36:11,450 --> 02:36:09,620
MUFON research in UFO and our ESEA rch

3139
02:36:13,890 --> 02:36:11,460
[Music]

3140
02:36:16,440 --> 02:36:13,900
okay now we hope we won't be spammed

3141
02:36:18,330 --> 02:36:16,450
will be very informative messages people

3142
02:36:20,310 --> 02:36:18,340
giving you information asking questions

3143
02:36:22,980 --> 02:36:20,320
Chris O'Brien where do we find more of

3144
02:36:25,770 --> 02:36:22,990
your stuff well I've got a website it's

3145
02:36:28,171 --> 02:36:25,780
called our strange planet calm oh you

3146
02:36:31,171 --> 02:36:28,181
are strange planet it is a strange

3147
02:36:33,650 --> 02:36:31,181
planet it's our strange planet and of

3148
02:36:35,930 --> 02:36:33,660
course I'm always lurking about the

3149
02:36:39,501 --> 02:36:35,940
forum podcast

3150
02:36:41,631 --> 02:36:39,511
dot-com website and foreign pages so you

3151
02:36:44,031 --> 02:36:41,641
can always say hello there Chris O'Brien

3152
02:36:46,911 --> 02:36:44,041
thanks for being a co-host this week Ron

3153
02:36:48,680 --> 02:36:46,921
Regehr I'm glad to meet you thank you so

3154
02:37:02,510 --> 02:36:48,690
much for joining us the Spanx on our

3155
02:37:06,550 --> 02:37:04,030
[Music]

3156
02:37:08,920 --> 02:37:06,560
yes is a copy of the presentation of

3157
02:37:11,950 --> 02:37:08,930
making the impossible incorporated tune